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  #2409744 29-Jan-2020 15:51
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I have been following the impeachment off and on in a desultory, depressed fashion, having reluctantly accepted that the Republicans have all sold their souls and it was going to be just another Mueller anti-climax. Then suddenly Bolten emerges and Senators are waking up and the Trump defenders are flailing and McConnell is no longer in control and there is a new infusion of energy in the Democratic side.

 

What was fairly boring has become incredibly exciting. The outcome is no longer predictable. What further revelations yet await us? It is like a sports competition where the hopeless underdog suddenly comes from behind and scores a succession of completely unexpected goals.  

 

Of course the overwhelming likelihood is that Trump will still be acquitted, though that is no longer an absolute certainty, which is also pretty exciting, but the real thrill is that he won’t get away clean. He is being mortally wounded by this and the things yet to come out and there will be witnesses and he can’t stop it. This really could be a turning point. 

 

However it ends, this saga will be fuel for endless future House of Cards-style thrillers. When all the facts are known, there will be films and series productions and books and historical analyses. Trump will get the legacy he craves, though it may not be the kind of legacy he craves. 

 

Life has become interesting again. Whoopee! Bring out the popcorn.

 

   





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  #2409776 29-Jan-2020 17:22
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The chickens have come home to roost


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  #2409779 29-Jan-2020 17:37
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Mike Pompeo: "do you think anyone gives a f___ about the Ukraine?"

Ambassador to Ukraine, Yovanovitch was the target of a conspiracy-driven smear campaign, amplified by President Donald Trump and his allies.

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Hey! Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s Feud with NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly

Late Night with Seth Meyers

Seth has some strong words for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo after he had a heated exchange with NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly when he was questioned about Ukraine.


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  #2409970 30-Jan-2020 07:46
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Rikkitic:

 

McConnell is no longer in control  

 

 

 

 

Don't kid yourself. If the Senators who are 'waking up' were really woken up there would be witnesses already. The ones who are 'waking up' seem to have a history of pearl clutching in sound bites but voting along party lines anyway. Trump is not going to be removed, and there's a good chance he will be re-elected too.





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  #2410020 30-Jan-2020 10:26
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Bolton is a socialist trying to destroy America, and a traitor seeking to publish classified information (that of course we can't talk about).

 

Trump's even getting away with an argument - paraphrased as "someone should fire the idiot who gave Bolton the job".

 

4 more years of this - yep - entirely possible, there's been 3 years of hope that his despicable crooked lying and exposure of his pig-ignorance would undermine support - but nope...

 

The spiritual adviser to the god-appointed leader of has called for "satanic pregnancies" of his enemies to miscarry.  This - coming out of the USA.  Unbelievable.


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  #2410066 30-Jan-2020 10:43
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SaltyNZ:

 

Rikkitic:

 

McConnell is no longer in control  

 

 

 

 

Don't kid yourself. If the Senators who are 'waking up' were really woken up there would be witnesses already. The ones who are 'waking up' seem to have a history of pearl clutching in sound bites but voting along party lines anyway. Trump is not going to be removed, and there's a good chance he will be re-elected too.

 

 

According to a recent poll, 75% of American voters think witnesses should be heard. I am not suggesting Trump will be convicted. I am saying that he has already been damaged with voters who are not part of his base by the revelations that have been leaking out, especially from Bolten but not only from him. Regardless of what happens in the Senate, the damage has already been done. That gives hope, if not certainty. If witnesses are allowed, Trump loses. If they are shut down, Trump loses. Either way he loses. Bring on the popcorn!

 

 

 

 





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  #2410068 30-Jan-2020 10:44
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@Fred99:

 

Bolton is a socialist trying to destroy America, and a traitor seeking to publish classified information (that of course we can't talk about).

 

 

You are joking, or being sarcastic, and forgot to put an emoticon, right? Or are you trying to say this is how Trump and team are demonising Bolton?





 
 
 
 


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  #2410072 30-Jan-2020 11:01
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freitasm:

 

@Fred99:

 

Bolton is a socialist trying to destroy America, and a traitor seeking to publish classified information (that of course we can't talk about).

 

 

You are joking, or being sarcastic, and forgot to put an emoticon, right? Or are you trying to say this is how Trump and team are demonising Bolton?

 

 

That's how they're demonising Bolton.  I'd say "trying to" demonise - but it's working.

 

Nobody in their right mind would accuse Bolton of being a socialist.  That should be a self-explanatory statement :-)

 

Edit to say that propaganda works best when it contains snippets of truth amongst the lies.  Trump's tweeted that if he hadn't fired Bolton, then Bolton would have started "World War 6" already.  Bolton was hawkish - true.


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  #2410129 30-Jan-2020 12:39
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Rikkitic:

 

What further revelations yet await us? It is like a sports competition where the hopeless underdog suddenly comes from behind and scores a succession of completely unexpected goals.  

 

 

According to those who have been meticulously following and documenting Trump throughout his presidency, the Trump/Ukraine scandal is the tip of the tip of an iceberg tip. Here's one Twitter thread discussing this a little more.


 

 

I'm beginning to wonder if I should pivot into a career of "Trump Historian". People are going to be analyzing and dissecting this presidency for decades. There's gold in them thar hills!


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  #2410247 30-Jan-2020 14:44
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From "The Scorched Earth Defense: Trump's Lawyers Are Arguing For A Dictatorial Presidency":

 

 

On Monday night, celebrity attorney and noted ambulance-chaser Alan Dershowitz took his turn in Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump and delivered a truly bizarre argument. Reading from a list of every President of the United States, Dershowitz noted that they had all been accused of abuse of power. In the reading, a few of the names stood out: John Adams. Andrew Jackson. James K. Polk. Richard Nixon. Ronald Reagan. George W. Bush.

 

John Adams, as the second president, was so insecure and terrified of his opponent Thomas Jefferson that he passed the Alien and Sedition Acts that gave him the right to deport his critics. Bolstered by the aristocratic Federalists, Adams nearly destroyed the country before the ink was dry on the Constitution.

 

Andrew Jackson used the presidency to carry out the systematic genocide of indigenous people.

 

James K. Polk manufactured a completely illegal war to invade Mexico in an act that stoked dangerous white supremacist attitudes that would eventually lead to the Civil War.

 

With Nixon, the case needs a little more examining. We’re all familiar with the term Watergate, but what some people might not know is that Nixon made a regular gambit of trampling on our laws and Constitution. As a candidate, he interfered in the Paris Peace Talks, an act of treason that delayed the end of the Vietnam War and led to thousands of American deaths. As president, he once drunkenly ordered a nuclear strike on North Korea his cabinet had to ignore, a small coup of its own. Later, he constructed a shadow intelligence community that targeted his enemies, spied on them, attacked them, and in some cases violated their civil liberties. When his operatives broke into the Watergate, they did so to place wiretaps that he hoped would hurt his Democratic opponent George McGovern.

 

On Wednesday afternoon, Dershowitz stood in the Senate and argued that to be president is to engage in illegal activity. All treaties and operations are to involve quid pro quo, and a president should weigh their own political fortunes alongside the fate and good of the country. What was even crazier was when Dershowitz claimed it was even more prudent should the president see their own political fortunes be intertwined with the good of the country.

 

This was Nixon’s reasoning. In the turbulent 60s and 70s Nixon believed his leadership was the only thing that could save the United States from ruin. This crisis, in his mind, necessitated a whole slate of unconstitutional acts because he needed to gain power, consolidate power, and retain power in the interest of America.

 

Dershowitz, whether intentional or the consequence of shabby lawyering, made a defense today of both Donald John Trump and Richard Milhouse Nixon.

 

Because Trump’s crimes are so blatant and obvious, because there is no arguing with them, no wrestling them, his lawyers are having to actively dissemble the law and precedent. It is a scorched earth policy that will leave this country in shambles if allowed to continue. If Trump is acquitted like this, every president who follows will be allowed to move outside the Constitution as long as they have at least 37 votes in the Senate. It all but liquefies our Constitution and establishes the Executive as an extra-powerful branch that exists outside the scope of the law or oversight.

 

 





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  #2410297 30-Jan-2020 16:37
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From the beginning it has been apparent that Trump is dishonest and corrupt, but I and probably many others did not fully appreciate how far that goes. He lies so much about little things that one gets used to it and tends to chalk it up as a personality quirk, rather than a deliberate, calculated act. His corruption is so pervasive that it seems almost normal, just the way he 'does business'. 

 

What the Senate trial has revealed to me - and hopefully some Republican Senators and many voters - is that Trump's lies and corruption are far more calculated and systematic than first realised. The lies are not just a quirk. They have a specific purpose that is part of a larger orchestrated effort to undermine democratic institutions and take over from within. The corruption is not limited to individual instances of opportunistic grift, but is a fundamental aspect of policy that drives every administrative initiative in the country and world. 

 

Everything Trump touches, dies, but it is a slow and agonising death. The corruption is far worse, and goes far deeper, than even the late night comedians appreciate. It is not a joke. Fortunately the trial is peeling back the curtain. I do not imagine for a moment that this Senate will vote to convict, unless something so enormous emerges that even Trump’s sycophants can no longer brush it off, but I have real hope that the lies and deceits that are emerging will finally put an end to this horror show at the next election. If Americans actually do return this tinpot tyrant to the White house, then they deserve what they get. 

 

 





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  #2410309 30-Jan-2020 17:15
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This is crazy. The idea that the President's executive authority and ability to unilaterally determine public scrutiny totally overrides constitutional checks and balances? And Americans are worried about abuse of the 2nd Amendment? 


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  #2410375 30-Jan-2020 19:53
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According To Alan Dershowitz, Anything Trump Does Is Legal If It's Done In Pursuit Of His Reelection

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

Donald Trump's impeachment defense attorney, Alan Dershowitz, took to the Senate lectern today with an argument reminiscent of Richard Nixon's declaration, "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."


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Why Trump's Middle East plan is so divisive

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US President Donald Trump's Middle East peace plan has been welcomed by Israel, but Palestinians have dismissed it as a "conspiracy".


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