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Reply # 1663287 3-Nov-2016 12:53

Impeachment would not be unusual. Conviction would be unusual. B.Clinton for instance, impeached but not convicted. I'd be surprised if H.Clinton was convicted based on what I've seen so far. Plenty of wiggle room, and lots of power to swing things. Impeachment could happen though.

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Reply # 1663703 4-Nov-2016 12:13

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darylblake: I think trump will win. Either way it will be close.

What you said, but to me, I think the Republicans will win. That to me is why Trump will win, he will get in despite himself. Otherwise I felt it would have been a Republican landslide with anyone else

I don't entirely agree. I think for everyone who would normally vote Republican who this time aren't because of Trump, there will be someone else who would otherwise not have voted Republican who will this time. So much of the US want, not just a change from the current Democrat presidency, but a change from the whole political status quo.

Trump's rhetoric and pandering to the lowest common denominator has got him enormous support from the public.

The Democrats should have gotten behind Bernie Sanders. Then you would have two guys with an image of "shaking up the establishment", which would mean people wanting a change would have a choice - where now they feel Trump is the only option for them.

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Reply # 1663708 4-Nov-2016 12:21

Paul1977:

tdgeek:

darylblake: I think trump will win. Either way it will be close.

What you said, but to me, I think the Republicans will win. That to me is why Trump will win, he will get in despite himself. Otherwise I felt it would have been a Republican landslide with anyone else

I don't entirely agree. I think for everyone who would normally vote Republican who this time aren't because of Trump, there will be someone else who would otherwise not have voted Republican who will this time. So much of the US want, not just a change from the current Democrat presidency, but a change from the whole political status quo.

Trump's rhetoric and pandering to the lowest common denominator has got him enormous support from the public.

The Democrats should have gotten behind Bernie Sanders. Then you would have two guys with an image of "shaking up the establishment", which would mean people wanting a change would have a choice - where now they feel Trump is the only option for them.

If they want to they can always arrange a switch for Hillary to be voted in then step down for Bernie to Preside, but the Establishment won't want that, now, would they.

Swype on iOS is detrimental to accurate typing. Apologies in advance.

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Reply # 1663713 4-Nov-2016 12:26

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Paul1977:

tdgeek:

darylblake: I think trump will win. Either way it will be close.

What you said, but to me, I think the Republicans will win. That to me is why Trump will win, he will get in despite himself. Otherwise I felt it would have been a Republican landslide with anyone else

I don't entirely agree. I think for everyone who would normally vote Republican who this time aren't because of Trump, there will be someone else who would otherwise not have voted Republican who will this time. So much of the US want, not just a change from the current Democrat presidency, but a change from the whole political status quo.

Trump's rhetoric and pandering to the lowest common denominator has got him enormous support from the public.

The Democrats should have gotten behind Bernie Sanders. Then you would have two guys with an image of "shaking up the establishment", which would mean people wanting a change would have a choice - where now they feel Trump is the only option for them.

If they want to they can always arrange a switch for Hillary to be voted in then step down for Bernie to Preside, but the Establishment won't want that, now, would they.

Why would Hillary step down once voted in? My point is that by having Hilary as their nominee they may have cost themselves the election.

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Reply # 1663726 4-Nov-2016 12:32

Democrats ain't gonna win otherwise. As predicted from the Simpsons' and way back on about page ?24 on this thread.

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Reply # 1663816 4-Nov-2016 14:58

joker97:

If they want to they can always arrange a switch for Hillary to be voted in then step down for Bernie to Preside, ...

I don't think so. If she does step down, or die, or whatever, then I believe that the VP automatically becomes President.

And, as was already pointed out, why would she step down if elected? If elected, *she* has a mandate.

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Reply # 1663834 4-Nov-2016 15:27

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So...

What has Hillary actually done wrong?

From what I have seen it was more her IT advisers in the State Dept that need to be fired?

So...Trump incites Russia to hack US email servers to gain advantage over Clinton. these stolen emails are then published very illegally...and the FBI then reopens an already closed case against Clinton days before an election................

Something is very wrong here.....

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Reply # 1663851 4-Nov-2016 15:55

Pumpedd:

So...

What has Hillary actually done wrong?

From what I have seen it was more her IT advisers in the State Dept that need to be fired?

So...Trump incites Russia to hack US email servers to gain advantage over Clinton. these stolen emails are then published very illegally...and the FBI then reopens an already closed case against Clinton days before an election................

Something is very wrong here.....

I'm less interested in what she may have done wrong, for me it's more about the Democrats supporting such a vastly unliked person to be their nominee. As far as the election goes, whether she truly is "crooked" doesn't matter - what matters is that a huge percentage of the population BELIEVE she is a crook and actively dislike her. And even before that she has never won any popularity contests, which (right or wrong) made her a bad pick as the nominee.

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Reply # 1663852 4-Nov-2016 16:01

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Paul1977:

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I'm less interested in what she may have done wrong, for me it's more about the Democrats supporting such a vastly unliked person to be their nominee. As far as the election goes, whether she truly is "crooked" doesn't matter - what matters is that a huge percentage of the population BELIEVE she is a crook and actively dislike her. And even before that she has never won any popularity contests, which (right or wrong) made her a bad pick as the nominee.

To turn this on it's head:

The Trump version:

I'm less interested in what he may have done wrong, for me it's more about the Republicans supporting such a vastly unliked person to be their nominee. As far as the election goes, whether he truly is "crooked" doesn't matter - what matters is that a huge percentage of the population BELIEVE he is a crook and actively dislike him. And even before that he has never won any popularity contests, which (right or wrong) made him a bad pick as the nominee.

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Reply # 1663877 4-Nov-2016 16:13

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Paul1977:

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I'm less interested in what she may have done wrong, for me it's more about the Democrats supporting such a vastly unliked person to be their nominee. As far as the election goes, whether she truly is "crooked" doesn't matter - what matters is that a huge percentage of the population BELIEVE she is a crook and actively dislike her. And even before that she has never won any popularity contests, which (right or wrong) made her a bad pick as the nominee.

To turn this on it's head:

The Trump version:

I'm less interested in what he may have done wrong, for me it's more about the Republicans supporting such a vastly unliked person to be their nominee. As far as the election goes, whether he truly is "crooked" doesn't matter - what matters is that a huge percentage of the population BELIEVE he is a crook and actively dislike him. And even before that he has never won any popularity contests, which (right or wrong) made him a bad pick as the nominee.

Yep, end of the day its about Republicans voting for the Republican party. And for Democrats wanting a change. I feel the Trump supporters are a squeaky wheel. Its time for a change, Obamacare and so on. I still maintain this would be a GOP landslide, but due to him, its diluted to a tight race, with GOP a little behind. When real people make real votes, GOP might lose, because of him. or win, despite him

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Reply # 1663881 4-Nov-2016 16:14

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Paul1977:

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I'm less interested in what she may have done wrong, for me it's more about the Democrats supporting such a vastly unliked person to be their nominee. As far as the election goes, whether she truly is "crooked" doesn't matter - what matters is that a huge percentage of the population BELIEVE she is a crook and actively dislike her. And even before that she has never won any popularity contests, which (right or wrong) made her a bad pick as the nominee.

To turn this on it's head:

The Trump version:

I'm less interested in what he may have done wrong, for me it's more about the Republicans supporting such a vastly unliked person to be their nominee. As far as the election goes, whether he truly is "crooked" doesn't matter - what matters is that a huge percentage of the population BELIEVE he is a crook and actively dislike him. And even before that he has never won any popularity contests, which (right or wrong) made him a bad pick as the nominee.

Yeah, but Trump has sounded a rallying call that a lot of people relate too. And there are a lot of people out there (hopefully less than 50%) who thinks he's fantastic. I'm not sure that charisma is the right word for what Trump does, but he sure can get people fired up. Clinton on the other hand... no one is getting exited about Clinton; people want her to win because she is the lesser of two evils.

Also, the Republicans absolutely did not want Trump to become their nominee. Whereas Clinton had the vast majority of the Democratic establishment supporting her.

So the Republicans are stuck with a nominee they didn't want, but the Democrats supported theirs all the way.

EDIT: Whoever wins, they should have a do-over with decent candidates.

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Reply # 1663885 4-Nov-2016 16:20

tdgeek:

Yep, end of the day its about Republicans voting for the Republican party. And for Democrats wanting a change. I feel the Trump supporters are a squeaky wheel. Its time for a change, Obamacare and so on. I still maintain this would be a GOP landslide, but due to him, its diluted to a tight race, with GOP a little behind. When real people make real votes, GOP might lose, because of him. or win, despite him

On the other hand, with Trump as the nominee it should have been a landslide for the Democrats. It takes a very unlikable nominee on the Democrat side for this to be such a tight race.

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Reply # 1663900 4-Nov-2016 16:44

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I think I'm in love with Melania.

She's going to deal to all you internet bullies, apparently.

She'll be the best Third Lady America's ever had.

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Reply # 1663908 4-Nov-2016 17:01

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^^^ Trophy wife, anyone?

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Reply # 1663909 4-Nov-2016 17:01

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Fred99:

I think I'm in love with Melania.

She's going to deal to all you internet bullies, apparently.

She'll be the best Third Lady America's ever had.

oh the irony in that speech, how she kept a straight face throughout the speech is a testament to either her stupidity or her acting ability.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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