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  #2494238 29-May-2020 10:53
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TRUMP FEARS NEXT ELECTION COULD BE UNFAIRLY INFLUENCED BY AMERICAN VOTERS

 

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump is “extremely worried” that the 2020 Presidential election will be decided by Americans, an aide has confirmed.

 

The man, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that Trump is panicking over a worst-case scenario in which Americans, sidelined during the 2016 election, will play a dominant role in influencing the 2020 contest.

 

The aide said that a "certain infamous group" will stop at nothing to instal an agent of the U.S. in the Oval Office.

 

“We know what they're up to,” he added. “They want a puppet who will do the bidding of the United States of America.”

 

While Trump has reportedly ordered his staff to do everything in their power to prevent Americans from meddling in the 2020 election, the prospect of U.S. citizens deciding the next Presidential race has clearly left him rattled.

 

“These people will use voter registration, mail-in ballots, social media, and anything else at their disposal to hand the election to someone who will advance their interests,” the aide said. “It's no wonder our President has to play golf to relieve stress.”





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  #2494241 29-May-2020 10:55
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Rikkitic:
While anything is definitely possible, Trump seems to be losing electoral support. There is at least a reasonable chance that he will lose the next election.

 

He has spent the past three years stacking the deck as much as possible in his favour, by dismissing or replacing those who might keep him in check, by executive order, by judicial appointments, by curbing voting rights, by constant lies, by twisting the system wherever possible in his favour. In spite of all this, he could still lose the election.

 

In view  of his behaviour up to now, it seems to me quite possible that he could refuse to honour the result if it goes against him. I would imagine there are endless ways his minions could challenge the result and tie the courts up in knots for years. I can imagine his idiot supporters lining the streets with their ridiculous camouflage gear and military assault weapons. I can even imagine civil war if he still has enough supporters in the military. How far are people prepared to go or would they respect the oaths they had made? I can imagine a lot of horrible things but my question here is what are the realistic prospects of any of this happening? What happens if Trump simply refuses to leave? 

 

Is there not in progress even now loose committee's being formed, by both sides, in the likely hood of a change in Presidency. I am referring to United States presidential transition  so that a smooth transition occurs.

 

However if Trump ropes himself to the Resolute Desk would not there be grounds of mental health issues (tranquilliser and a straight jacket)

 

Going on all the present indicators - pandemic deaths, pandemic inactions, economy, jobs, homelessness etc and the possibility of a pandemic spike come northern Autumn, Trump is going to loose.

 

However if their is a challenge to the legitimacy of the electoral count, it has always, from what I can see, been a murky area. I am thinking of the Florida vote in 2000 between Bush & Gore. If, when, Trump looses he is going to challenge no matter the margin of lose.

 

Does the role of interim President pass to the Speaker of the House ? but she is also up for re-election.

 

For all that the American Forefathers thought of, I do not think they envisaged Donald Trump, the most dishonest and self serving leader America has every had.

 

But as I have said before in these forums; "America gets what it deserves and deserves what it get" The trouble with that statement is also a further saying; "America sneezes and the world catches a cold" or could that be COVID-19.





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  #2494249 29-May-2020 11:16
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TWITTER’S SERVERS BURST INTO FLAMES AFTER ATTEMPTING TO FACT-CHECK ALL OF TRUMP’S TWEETS

 

SAN FRANCISCO (The Borowitz Report)—Servers belonging to the social-media platform Twitter burst into flames on Thursday, after the company attempted to fact-check all of Donald Trump’s tweets.

 

“We knew that fact-checking Trump’s tweets was going to put a strain on our system,” said Jack Dorsey, the C.E.O. of Twitter. “We had no idea that it would result in columns of fire shooting forty feet into the air.”

 

Reportedly, an explosion in the server fact-checking Trump’s tweets about Joe Scarborough ignited a blaze that quickly spread to a server that was vetting his tweets about Barack Obama.

 

Fire trucks rushed to Twitter headquarters to extinguish the inferno, which San Francisco officials called the largest fact-checking-related fire incident in the city’s history.

 

"No doubt about it," said the Fire Chief. "Facts have become real volatile over the last coupla years. Must be the climate."





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  #2494254 29-May-2020 11:24
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How I love that man. Latterly, he has even excelled himself. Just LOVED the fire one.


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  #2494274 29-May-2020 11:36
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linw:

 

Oh, boy, struggled through that. 

 

Time to dig out the popcorn!

 

 

He's basically sabre rattling on S230 of the Communications Decency Act that gives web platform protection from prosecution by not being declared publishers...

 

His inference is that by "tagging" posts  the company is making value judgements and is therefore over stepping the position of being a simple "carrier" and as a result could be liable for its actions ( likely in court)

 

I'm not sure the President can unilaterally amend/cancel codified US law, but hey he's using Korean war legislation to order Ventilators, so anything is probably possible..

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2494296 29-May-2020 12:12
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Rikkitic:

 

Per mod request I am placing this post here instead of a separate thread. I think it is still worthy of discussion:

 

 

 

While anything is definitely possible, Trump seems to be losing electoral support. There is at least a reasonable chance that he will lose the next election.

 

He has spent the past three years stacking the deck as much as possible in his favour, by dismissing or replacing those who might keep him in check, by executive order, by judicial appointments, by curbing voting rights, by constant lies, by twisting the system wherever possible in his favour. In spite of all this, he could still lose the election.

 

In view  of his behaviour up to now, it seems to me quite possible that he could refuse to honour the result if it goes against him. I would imagine there are endless ways his minions could challenge the result and tie the courts up in knots for years. I can imagine his idiot supporters lining the streets with their ridiculous camouflage gear and military assault weapons. I can even imagine civil war if he still has enough supporters in the military. How far are people prepared to go or would they respect the oaths they had made? I can imagine a lot of horrible things but my question here is what are the realistic prospects of any of this happening? What happens if Trump simply refuses to leave? 

 

 

 

 

Regardless of whether he wants to leave or not, his term expires in January 2021, as per the Constitution (same for Michael Pence) - so both him and Trump would be out of the job whether he wants to leave or not.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/24/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-november-election-postpone/index.html

 

 


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  #2494308 29-May-2020 12:32
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My question is not about postponing or cancelling the election. It is about ignoring the result. Trump and his cronies do not play by the rules. That is how they got this far. He has consistently gotten away with things he should not have simply by thumbing his nose at accepted practice and leaving his opponents floundering in disbelief. The rule of law depends on everyone respecting the law. There are not always adequate protections in place when some in positions of power simply ignore that. Many of Trump's supporters have a cult-like commitment to him and will do anything to protect him. These people exist throughout society, including in the military. If Trump refuses to leave office, who will march into the White House and arrest him? Who will oppose those who try? Are there adequate mechanisms in place to force him out of office if he refuses to go? What if he claims voter fraud and appeals to the Supreme Court that he has stacked? There are so many devices he and his supporters might use to subvert the election result. Who will be there to enforce it? Not William Barr, I imagine. If the highest law officer in the country is corrupt, what happens to the chain of command?

 

 

 

 





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  #2494353 29-May-2020 13:51
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@Rikkitic the election itself is complicated.  In a Presidential election the popular vote binds the Electoral College to a candidate: Each state has a differing number of Electoral College votes.  The Presidential candidate that wins in each state receives the state's electoral college votes.  The Presidential candidate that gets the most Electoral College votes is the next President.  In effect there are 51 concurrent elections (50 states and the District of Columbia (ie Washington DC)).

 

It is possible therefore for the winning candidate to receive in total fewer popular votes than the loser.  In 1960, for example, Nixon got more popular votes than JFK, but JFK won in more states.

 

In respect of Trump respecting defeat I found this:

https://unherd.com/2020/05/what-if-trump-loses-the-election/

 

Scroll down to this paragraph: "We know how this ended: with the Bush-Obama transition a model of decorum and George and Michelle Obama seen since, flirting like school kids."  The paragraph that follows is conjecture on how Trump will behave.

 

 





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  #2494378 29-May-2020 14:51
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wellygary:

He's basically sabre rattling on S230 of the Communications Decency Act that gives web platform protection from prosecution by not being declared publishers...

 

 

Heard a great name for him today based on the recent fuss: Tweety Amin.

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  #2494624 29-May-2020 19:57
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Stuff tonight

 

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts," says US president as violence escalates.

 

Its not a Clint Eastwood double feature...


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  #2494665 29-May-2020 21:04
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DISTRACTION!

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  #2494678 29-May-2020 21:23
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Twitter has put a public notice in another one of his tweets. The same day he signed the executive order. It's more likely a Fark You to him seeing nothing can be done really.

 

 





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  #2494687 29-May-2020 22:22
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freitasm:  Twitter has put a public notice in another one of his tweets. The same day he signed the executive order. It's more likely a Fark You to him seeing nothing can be done really.

 

 

 

 

"This Tweet is unavailable" ...

 





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  #2494802 30-May-2020 08:07
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is DT is starting WW3? but it's so "breaking news" we don't know what he's done yet

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/politics/trump-china-announcement/index.html


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  #2494803 30-May-2020 08:13
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Batman:

 

is DT is starting WW3? but it's so "breaking news" we don't know what he's done yet

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/politics/trump-china-announcement/index.html

 

 

If there is a WW3 it will be platoons of chequebook holders. Hopefully WHO asks the rest of the globe for a fund increase to offset the US removal, and accepts the US removal from WHO. US can stock Walmart shelves from elsewhere


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