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Geektastic:

 

Here are some of his main positions. Exactly which ones are so awful we must hate him for them? To be honest, many of them sound not that unlike some of what you'll hear in NZ.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really?  Clicking through and reading some of that tripe makes me wonder what it said before his advisors\PR people\etc cleaned it up.... Probably something like some of this stuff I guess:

 

 

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-ban-muslims-216513

 

 

 

 

"a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

 

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you,” Trump gestured toward members of the audience at his June 16 announcement speech from Trump Tower. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” 

 

“ISIS is making a tremendous amount of money because of the oil that they took away, they have some in Syria, they have some in Iraq, I would bomb the sh-- out of them,” Trump told a Fort Dodge, Iowa, rally on Nov. 12.

 

“I would just bomb those suckers, and that's right, I'd blow up the pipes, I'd blow up the refineries, I'd blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left.”

 

In a conversation with the reporter, the Manhattan mogul took offense at Fiorina’s visage. “Look at that face!” Trump said, according to the report [emphasis theirs]. “Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our nextpresident?!”

 

“She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions,” Trump told CNN the day after the debate. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. In my opinion, she was off base.”

 

“It's in the book that he's got a pathological temper,” Trump said on CNN on Nov. 12. “That's a big problem because you don't cure that ... as an example: child molesting. You don't cure these people. You don't cure a child molester. There's no cure for it. Pathological, there's no cure for that.”

 

the Republican candidate appeared at an event in Ames, Iowa, on July 18, during which he derided Arizona Sen. John McCain as “a war hero because he was captured.”

 

“He’s not a war hero,” Trump said at the Family Leadership Summit, during a discussion. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

 


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  Reply # 1497961 23-Feb-2016 17:02
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The comparisons with the Weimar Republic are not without substance.

 

 

 

 

What comparisons with the Weimar Republic? Sounds like it could be high-brow analysis but I haven't seen such comparisons here.

 

 

Reference to Washington Post articles without links earlier in this thread. The links are easy to find.

 

 





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Geektastic:

 

Here are some of his main positions. Exactly which ones are so awful we must hate him for them? To be honest, many of them sound not that unlike some of what you'll hear in NZ.

 

 

 

For example, I doubt there would be a raft of complaints if his tax reforms were proposed here:

 

 

 

The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

 

1) If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
2) All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
3) No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
4) No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.

 

 

The main beneficiaries of this policy woulds be the ultra-rich and the Big Corporates.

 

Very Trump.  undecided

 

 

 

 

The cost is US tax take, the gain is every voter. Its an election, satisfy every voter and you win. It would be nice to satisfy the population with a sustainable economy, i.e. managing the country well, but its an election, promises to offer, votes to buy.


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  Reply # 1497983 23-Feb-2016 17:42
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tdgeek: <snip>  The cost is US tax take, the gain is every voter. Its an election, satisfy every voter and you win. It would be nice to satisfy the population with a sustainable economy, i.e. managing the country well, but its an election, promises to offer, votes to buy.

 

Horribly true.

 

If and when this egomaniac buys the Presidency of the United States, he is faced with a dilemma:

 

... either keep his promises and destroy the economy that he loves, and lose face, or break his promises, and lose face - which is a catastrophe for an egomaniac - even an amoral one.

 

Either way, we lose (even if he doesn't start Word War 3, which he is quite capable of doing.)   frown





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tdgeek: <snip>  The cost is US tax take, the gain is every voter. Its an election, satisfy every voter and you win. It would be nice to satisfy the population with a sustainable economy, i.e. managing the country well, but its an election, promises to offer, votes to buy.


Horribly true.


If and when this egomaniac buys the Presidency of the United States, he is faced with a dilemma:


... either keep his promises and destroy the economy that he loves, and lose face, or break his promises, and lose face - which is a catastrophe for an egomaniac - even an amoral one.


Either way, we lose (even if he doesn't start Word War 3, which he is quite capable of doing.)   frown


You forgot option #3 - Blame somebody else because they did it. Mexicans, Arabs, Mexican-Arabs, whatever!

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tdgeek: <snip>  The cost is US tax take, the gain is every voter. Its an election, satisfy every voter and you win. It would be nice to satisfy the population with a sustainable economy, i.e. managing the country well, but its an election, promises to offer, votes to buy.

 

Horribly true.

 

If and when this egomaniac buys the Presidency of the United States, he is faced with a dilemma:

 

... either keep his promises and destroy the economy that he loves, and lose face, or break his promises, and lose face - which is a catastrophe for an egomaniac - even an amoral one.

 

Either way, we lose (even if he doesn't start Word War 3, which he is quite capable of doing.)   frown

 

 


You forgot option #3 - Blame somebody else because they did it. Mexicans, Arabs, Mexican-Arabs, whatever!

 

 

 

Silly me. Why didn't I think of that?

 

The Mexican-Arabs must be punished. Nuke them.





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Sideface:

 

 

 

Silly me. Why didn't I think of that?

 

The Mexican-Arabs must be punished. Nuke them.

 

 

 

 

The Mexican-Arabs are OK. It's the Arab-Mexicans you really need to watch out for.





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  Reply # 1498126 23-Feb-2016 21:18
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gzt:
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tdgeek: <snip>  The cost is US tax take, the gain is every voter. Its an election, satisfy every voter and you win. It would be nice to satisfy the population with a sustainable economy, i.e. managing the country well, but its an election, promises to offer, votes to buy.

 

Horribly true.

 

If and when this egomaniac buys the Presidency of the United States, he is faced with a dilemma:

 

... either keep his promises and destroy the economy that he loves, and lose face, or break his promises, and lose face - which is a catastrophe for an egomaniac - even an amoral one.

 

Either way, we lose (even if he doesn't start Word War 3, which he is quite capable of doing.)   frown

 

 


You forgot option #3 - Blame somebody else because they did it. Mexicans, Arabs, Mexican-Arabs, whatever!

 

 

 

Silly me. Why didn't I think of that?

 

The Mexican-Arabs must be punished. Nuke them.

 

 

When they have blown up the first target in NZ or beheaded the first off duty soldier, it will be interesting to see whether your flippant dismissal remains....






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Geektastic:

 

Sideface:

 

gzt:
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tdgeek: <snip>  The cost is US tax take, the gain is every voter. Its an election, satisfy every voter and you win. It would be nice to satisfy the population with a sustainable economy, i.e. managing the country well, but its an election, promises to offer, votes to buy.

 

Horribly true.

 

If and when this egomaniac buys the Presidency of the United States, he is faced with a dilemma:

 

... either keep his promises and destroy the economy that he loves, and lose face, or break his promises, and lose face - which is a catastrophe for an egomaniac - even an amoral one.

 

Either way, we lose (even if he doesn't start Word War 3, which he is quite capable of doing.)   frown

 

 


You forgot option #3 - Blame somebody else because they did it. Mexicans, Arabs, Mexican-Arabs, whatever!

 

 

 

Silly me. Why didn't I think of that?

 

The Mexican-Arabs must be punished. Nuke them.

 

 

When they have blown up the first target in NZ or beheaded the first off duty soldier, it will be interesting to see whether your flippant dismissal remains....

 

 

Mexicans or filthy rich Arabs won't do that. If I am 18 and have 3 Lambos and 4 Ferraris why would I blow myself up? I'm already in heaven.

 

Terrorists are indoctrinated from war-torn nations, the oppressed stateless, poorest of the poor, those who have nothing to look forward to and nothing to lose. Yes there is the odd spoilt brat from Britain/Oz.


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Geektastic:

 

When they have blown up the first target in NZ or beheaded the first off duty soldier, it will be interesting to see whether your flippant dismissal remains....

 

 

 

 

So punishing 1.57 Billion + people for the actions of a few is the right answer?





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Mexicans or filthy rich Arabs won't do that. If I am 18 and have 3 Lambos and 4 Ferraris why would I blow myself up? I'm already in heaven.

 

Terrorists are indoctrinated from war-torn nations, the oppressed stateless, poorest of the poor, those who have nothing to look forward to and nothing to lose. Yes there is the odd spoilt brat from Britain/Oz.

 

 

I hate to break it to you but the majority of ISIS power is coming from being able to convince considerably more than the "odd" spoilt brat. Their numbers grow every day, I read somewhere recently that 20% of their membership

 

are not from war torn nations, but places like NZ and Australia and Britan and Europe.


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Trump is a maniac, however statements like these resonate very strongly with a lot of people in the US.

 

"a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

 

Look what's happening in Europe with the millions of refugees. They have arrived in such numbers they cannot be assimilated without there being problems. You only have the read some of the stories starting come out of Europe. I'm very afraid it won 't be long before big problems erupt in Europe. The people in the US are very much aware of whats going on in Europe and they wont want that happen in the US.

 

 

 

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you,” Trump gestured toward members of the audience at his June 16 announcement speech from Trump Tower. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

 

I think he's way off line with how he portrays the Mexicans. But there's no doubt there's been some problems with the Mexican border.  I'd say a lot of US citizens would be happy with a much more robust border.

 

 

 

“ISIS is making a tremendous amount of money because of the oil that they took away, they have some in Syria, they have some in Iraq, I would bomb the sh-- out of them,” Trump told a Fort Dodge, Iowa, rally on Nov. 12. 

 

“I would just bomb those suckers, and that's right, I'd blow up the pipes, I'd blow up the refineries, I'd blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left.”

 

Trump is being decisive about ISIS. This will also strike a chord with voters. The people of the US have never have a modern war fought in their land, they don't want one now.  Sept 11 was a big wake up call, they will do what they need to prevent another event like this.

 

 

 

If he got elected he is still one person, congress has a lot of power. In fact as President it's more that he can veto some congress action rather than make the US do stuff that would be silly. I think you'd find he would be hamstrung in many ways.

 

 

 

 

 

jonothan18: And I'm quite happy to admit that I think considerably lesser of those who find him appealing - in my mind, such support indicates someone who is fundamentally disconnected with reality. It also confirms my sense of how retarded the US populace is (or at least Republican supporters) and how $@#$ed their political system is.

 

I think you're being a unfair. The US is a big country, the average citizen there doesn't need to look outside their borders. They tend to be a bit insular and as a result some certainly don't view the world as we would. That doesn't make them retarded. Also In my experience their left wing politics is almost to the right of our right wing.





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Geektastic:

 

When they have blown up the first target in NZ or beheaded the first off duty soldier, it will be interesting to see whether your flippant dismissal remains....

 

 

Give it a rest mate. Either you have principles or you don't. My beliefs are not going to be dictated by some fanatic with a bomb. I don't care if they are breaking down my door. I know the difference between right and wrong.

 

 





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Geektastic: <snip> When they have blown up the first target in NZ or beheaded the first off duty soldier, it will be interesting to see whether your flippant dismissal remains....

 

I despise and fear ISIS and Trump for the same reasons - they are are both powerful, totally ruthless, totally amoral, and totally convinced that only their narrow viewpoint is correct.

 

You and I are much more likely to be killed by the actions of Donald Trump than by ISIS.





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Mexicans or filthy rich Arabs won't do that. If I am 18 and have 3 Lambos and 4 Ferraris why would I blow myself up? I'm already in heaven.

 

Terrorists are indoctrinated from war-torn nations, the oppressed stateless, poorest of the poor, those who have nothing to look forward to and nothing to lose. Yes there is the odd spoilt brat from Britain/Oz.

 

 

I hate to break it to you but the majority of ISIS power is coming from being able to convince considerably more than the "odd" spoilt brat. Their numbers grow every day, I read somewhere recently that 20% of their membership

 

are not from war torn nations, but places like NZ and Australia and Britan and Europe.

 

 

Ah so neither Mexicans nor Arabs!


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