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kingdragonfly
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  #2562413 11-Sep-2020 15:49
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Washington Post: Jared Kushner said ‘Alice in Wonderland’ is the key to Trump’s presidency. Here’s why.

“[Bob] Woodward writes that [Jared] Kushner advised people that one of the most important guiding texts to understand the Trump presidency was ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ a novel about a young girl who falls through a rabbit hole. He singled out the Cheshire cat, whose strategy was endurance and persistence, not direction.”

I have taken the liberty of rereading “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland” to try to understand the Trump presidency, and I am more confused and afraid than ever!

“Alice in Wonderland” is the story of a little girl who falls through a rabbit hole into a nonsensical world full of hallucinogens! The idea that this is the text you really need to read to understand President Trump’s administration is like saying that the one text that will make it all make sense is “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas” or Dante’s “The Inferno,” or that one Hieronymus Bosch painting full of demons playing trumpets with their posteriors. It’s as if Jared turned and pointed to a nightmarish image of melting clocks and was like, “Here we see the Trump administration!” I don’t love it, Jared!

The first thing that happens to Alice after she follows the rabbit into the hole is that she drinks something that makes her the wrong size and decides that her feet are becoming so far away that she will have to send new boots to them by letter carrier. This vision of an Alice who seems to take as assumed that a mail service exists and functions shows how early in the Trump presidency wonderland we are!

Then Alice sees where she is, cries many, many tears and almost drowns in them. This is probably what the Trump team would say happened at the Javits Center. She washes up onshore and enters a caucus race full of dodos — self-explanatory, but harsh of Jared!

Alice can’t remember any history or math and keeps reciting nonsense doggerel, but instead of asking for help or advice from a logical person, she asks a caterpillar who is under the influence of something he is smoking in a hookah, and he insults her and gives her reality-altering mushrooms. This could be literally any member of the Trump administration, except that none of them needs the aid of mushrooms to alter reality at any moment.

Later, Alice encounters the Cheshire Cat, apparently the embodiment of the best leadership philosophy you can have in the Trump administration. Alice asks the cat which way she ought to go; the cat asks where she is trying to get to, and she says she doesn’t care. The cat responds that it doesn’t matter, in that case, which way she goes. It then smiles, says several more things that do not make any sense and vanishes. This is most likely Mike Pence.

She has tea with the March Hare, the Mad Hatter and a dormouse who keeps falling asleep into his soup. I think this is supposed to give the impression of what it is like to attend a Cabinet meeting. The dormouse, I am absolutely certain, is Wilbur Ross. Given that the Mad Hatter is prone to wearing a hat with a message on it and being mad, he stands in for the ardent Trump supporter.

After tea, Alice winds up playing croquet with the Queen of Hearts, who keeps shouting, “Off with their heads!” at various parties; she uses a flamingo as a mallet and a hedgehog as a ball. I think this shows how the Trump administration approaches the use of government: There are tools designed for certain purposes that people have honed over a long time, but instead of even attempting to use them, you should seize a wild bird and bludgeon it repeatedly. It is good if everyone around you is terrified, at all times, of being beheaded. This is leadership.

Next is a section with a mock turtle and a gryphon, which, to be honest, I skimmed, because I think the premise is about worn out, but if a Mitch McConnell joke were to go anywhere, this is where it would go!

The mock turtle section includes a nonsensical poem about a lobster who has been baked too brown and needs to sugar his hair, which seems to correspond to the president, but the following bit, a trial, muddles it slightly. The triumph of loud illogic during this trial is an almost eerily exact replica of the Republican questions during the impeachment hearing, a chain of random non sequiturs presented as damning indictments! Did you know that not having done something incriminating proves that you are a guilty party, and vice versa? This section was uncanny! Anyway, off with everyone’s head!

The good thing is that at the end of all this, Alice wakes up and realizes that it has all been a curious dream. This is all well and good; I do not think we could stand going through the looking glass, too.

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  #2562417 11-Sep-2020 15:55
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  #2562430 11-Sep-2020 16:12
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Actually yes, what will Trump's family do if he gets booted out of the White House? Who would want to hire Jared? Or Ivanka?
Mind you, I suppose some Republican who's in love with Trump and co would line up to offer them jobs.


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  #2562432 11-Sep-2020 16:14
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Fred99:

 

nathan:

 

Woodward could've let the public know the President was lying months ago, but saves it, for the most opportune time, to drive additional sales of his new book.

 

 

More likely a deliberately timed move to do as much damage to Trump's campaign

 

 

Rubbish.  John Bolton also held onto evidence that would have been useful during Trumps impeachment proceedings, just so he could release it, to drive news cycles and get interviews, just before the release of his book.  Its very common practice amongst the Elites, of course they put their own personal financial interests ahead of the publics.  Woodward is at the epicenter of the establishment.  Its a perfect example of why the public trust in corporate media is so low.





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  #2562462 11-Sep-2020 17:44
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No, I think actually Trump helped fuel distrust with all his "fake news" crap when he started making noises about running for President, and called the media the enemy of the American people.

 

Bush on the other hand, had a better respect for/relationship with the media:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-bush-donald-trump-media-attack-enemy-people-nbc-today-a7602321.html

 

 


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  #2562483 11-Sep-2020 18:13
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nathan:

 

Rubbish.  John Bolton also held onto evidence that would have been useful during Trumps impeachment proceedings, just so he could release it, to drive news cycles and get interviews, just before the release of his book.  Its very common practice amongst the Elites, of course they put their own personal financial interests ahead of the publics.  Woodward is at the epicenter of the establishment.  Its a perfect example of why the public trust in corporate media is so low.

 

 

Regardless of what Bolton could have said, he'd have never been called as a witness, and if he'd tried to preempt the inevitable refusal to be be allowed to testify by dumping a allegations harmful to Trump, he'd have been pilloried even more as a fired loser.  He was a traitor to "both sides".

 

Woodward has tapes which prove Trump lied to the US public, and those lies caused many deaths.

 

 Is that what the "patriots" are saying on Breitbart?  If so, that's great - "whatabout" Bolton really isn't a useful defence or attack on Woodward. 


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  #2562669 11-Sep-2020 20:42
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Speaking of Breitbart...

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/10/you-dont-want-to-see-me-cry-donald-trump-reacts-to-supporters-chanting-we-love-you/

 

Actually, yes Donald, I'd love to see you cry, after the election*

 

*: assuming he loses


 
 
 
 


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  #2562677 11-Sep-2020 21:06
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nathan:

John Bolton also held onto evidence that would have been useful during Trumps impeachment proceedings, just so he could release it, to drive news cycles and get interviews, just before the release of his book.  Its very common practice amongst the Elites, of course they put their own personal financial interests ahead of the publics.  Woodward is at the epicenter of the establishment.  Its a perfect example of why the public trust in corporate media is so low.

 

 

I sometimes read GZ on a mobile phone, which means I zoom it so only the main text is visible rather than the sidebar with user names and whatnot, to make it easier to read. I can always tell a nathan post without ever needing to see the user name or anything else...

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  #2562739 12-Sep-2020 07:46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WemEtKWHM2g

 

This cracked me up, would be more funny if it weren't so depressingly true.


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  #2562742 12-Sep-2020 08:26
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neb: I can always tell a nathan post without ever needing to see the user name or anything else...

 

It is that sensation of utter hopeless despair that seeps through you.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  #2562807 12-Sep-2020 11:49
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I sometimes read GZ on a mobile phone, which means I zoom it so only the main text is visible rather than the sidebar with user names and whatnot, to make it easier to read. I can always tell a nathan post without ever needing to see the user name or anything else...

 

I think anyone who responds to '@nay-than' must secretly enjoy the inevitable combative (and pointless) interchange that ensues.

 

Personally, whenever I see the picture of a little man hiding under a bomber, I just scroll past to something worth reading.





'Ask not what you can do for your country: Ask what you can do for me'. Donald J.Trump. US President 2016 - 2020.

 

 

 

 


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  #2562808 12-Sep-2020 11:52
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Yet people keep engaging with him. If you wrestle with a pig, you just get muddy. And the pig enjoys it.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  #2562867 12-Sep-2020 12:18
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The Washington Post - Opinion - Relax and do not panic. Donald Trump is in charge.

 

today

 


If you want to know why President Trump didn’t tell the American people what he knew about the coronavirus when he knew it - that it was much worse than even a “strenuous flu,” that it was airborne and extremely deadly - his explanation is quite simple: He did not want anyone to panic. He wanted people to keep calm.

 

That is his way! A calm, steady leadership that does not want anyone to be alarmed. 

 

More even-keeled even than the boats that keep assembling in parades to support him, cooler and more indifferent than a lieutenant governor sending grandparents out to fling themselves on the burning economy. 

 

Nothing says stability and reassurance like knowing that Donald Trump is at the helm. 

 

You can go to sleep easily and wake up refreshed, secure in the confidence that, while you slumbered, a single all-caps tweet at 2 a.m. did not entirely alter the nation’s foreign policy and trigger some sort of constitutional crisis!

 

There is nothing more relaxing than the balm of his leadership. Relaxing, soothing - like a scented candle. 

 

Not in the sense that since he has taken office, something has always been on fire, but in the relaxing, soothing sense. ...

 



 

 

 





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  #2562869 12-Sep-2020 12:19
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Rikkitic:

 

It is that sensation of utter hopeless despair that seeps through you.

 

 

it must be even more despair, when you can't vote.

 

Meanwhile I'm part of the largest US voting bloc

 

Click to see full size

 

Quite the novelty, but imagine if Politicians gave us a reason to vote, with one of their policies?





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  #2562872 12-Sep-2020 12:31
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Actually, my partner can vote in the election, and she won't be going anywhere near Trump.

 

Just out of interest @nathan, where are you from in the country originally?


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