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  #2565612 15-Sep-2020 23:26
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Roger Stone to Donald Trump: bring in martial law if you lose election.

 

Stone says: "Trump should seize total power and jail prominent figures including Bill and Hillary Clinton and Mark Zuckerberg if he loses to Joe Biden in November."

 

Trump meanwhile promises to ‘put down’ leftwing protests and says US Marshals killing Portland suspect was ‘retribution’

 

Source.

 

 

 

Welcome to the banana republic of USA.


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  #2565621 16-Sep-2020 02:52
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populism, the most important and misunderstood movement of our time


 
 
 
 


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  #2565623 16-Sep-2020 04:15
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quickymart:

 

I wonder what the American government would look like if they had MMP, it would certainly be very interesting.

 

 

None of the polarizing extremes we have now, and much less hypocrisy since "<insert Dem/Rep here> blocked the bill, so we can't do anything, don't they suck" won't work so well.  The current system doesn't work and its driving everyone crazy, our political institutions demand broad comprise and give-and-take.

 

We are going to have to change the way that we hold elections, the way we vote, to allow for more parties to flourish and to break that zero-sum binary hyper-partisanship, that is destroying our democracy

 


Unfortunately, most Americans I know (and I know a lot) are very resistant to change, so it will probably never happen.

 

 

It has to happen, change is possible.  My state, Washington is mail-in only now, so consequently has highest turnout of any state, ~90%.  Some voters are being introduced to ranked-choice (preferential) voting.  Reform is possible, and it will happen.  The current system, itself, by definition actually does the voter disenfranchisement, suppression and gerrymandering.

 

Majority of Americans say fundamental changes in structure of government are needed
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  #2565627 16-Sep-2020 06:57
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kingdragonfly:
nathan: There are 0 third party elected representatives or parties here.  We have a hegemony of ideas controlled by a duopoly.  Until we get a multi-party electoral system, this democratic republic is only getting more divided.


There is a libertarian in the US federal House of Representatives, plus a number of third-party legislators at the state level.

Still overall insignificant third party candidates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Amash

 

Its a shame, because third options on the ticket increase voter turnout

 

Minnesota & Maine normally lead the US in voter turnout - the two states with the highest voter turnout also voted the earliest for independent governors, all the way back in 1998, including Jesse Ventura :) - you'll get the biggest turnout when there is a legitimate third choice the people can go to.

 

The 10% that they do not count on showing up to the polls, makes all the difference.





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  #2565630 16-Sep-2020 07:11
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jarledb: Roger Stone to Donald Trump: bring in martial law if you lose election.


With scandals everday, it's easy to forgot how evil villian Roger Stone was foudn guilyt of 7 felonies which then Trump forgave.

Must be nice to be a billionare.

New York Times: Trump Commutes Sentence of Roger Stone in Case He Long Denounced

The president’s friend had been convicted of impeding a congressional inquiry that threatened Mr. Trump.

President Trump commuted the sentence of his longtime friend Roger J. Stone Jr. on seven felony crimes on Friday, using the power of his office to spare a former campaign adviser days before Mr. Stone was to report to a federal prison to serve a 40-month term.

...The commutation, announced late on a Friday, when potentially damaging news is often released, was the latest action by the Trump administration upending the justice system to help the president’s convicted friends.

...“With this commutation, Trump makes clear that there are two systems of justice in America: one for his criminal friends, and one for everyone else,” said Representative Adam B. Schiff

President Trump commuted the sentence of his longtime friend Roger J. Stone Jr. on seven felony crimes on Friday, using the power of his office to spare a former campaign adviser days before Mr. Stone was to report to a federal prison to serve a 40-month term.

The commutation, announced late on a Friday, when potentially damaging news is often released, was the latest action by the Trump administration upending the justice system to help the president’s convicted friends. The Justice Department moved in May to dismiss its own criminal case against Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, who had pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. And last month, Mr. Trump fired Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States attorney whose office prosecuted Michael D. Cohen, the president’s former personal lawyer, and has been investigating Rudolph W. Giuliani, another of his lawyers.

...“With this commutation, Trump makes clear that there are two systems of justice in America: one for his criminal friends, and one for everyone else,” said Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California and a leader of the drive to impeach Mr. Trump last year for pressuring Ukraine to incriminate his domestic rivals.

Two House committee chairmen quickly announced that they would investigate the circumstances of the commutation, suggesting that it was a reward for Mr. Stone’s silence protecting the president. “No other president has exercised the clemency power for such a patently personal and self-serving purpose,” said a statement issued by Representatives Jerrold Nadler and Carolyn B. Maloney, both New York Democrats.

Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah, called the commutation “Unprecedented, historic corruption” in a tweet.

Mr. Stone, 67, a longtime Republican operative, was convicted of obstructing a congressional investigation into Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign and possible ties to Russia. Prosecutors convinced jurors that he lied under oath, withheld a trove of documents and threatened an associate with harm if he cooperated with congressional investigators.
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  #2565637 16-Sep-2020 07:32
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Scientific American Endorses Joe Biden

 

 

Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly.

 

The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science. The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. He has also attacked environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges. That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment. These and other proposals he has put forth can set the country back on course for a safer, more prosperous and more equitable future.


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  #2565640 16-Sep-2020 07:39
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More real news about the fake (evil) president telling deadly lies:

 

 

On Monday night, CNN released clips of Trump’s phone conversation with Woodward regarding COVID-19 on April 13 in which the President asserted that “this thing is a killer if it gets you.”

 

“If you’re the wrong person, you don’t have a chance,” Trump told the reporter.

 

In another clip of the conversation, the President said COVID-19 “rips you apart” and described the virus as “the plague.”

 

Twitter users pointed out that Trump made the comments three days after he claimed that the virus “will soon be in full retreat!” and four days before he called on the right-wingers protesting stay-at-home orders to “LIBERATE” Minnesota, Michigan, and Virginia.

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2565641 16-Sep-2020 07:44
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jarledb:

 

Stone says: "Trump should ... jail prominent figures including ... Mark Zuckerberg ..."

 

 

 

 

I ... think I want to subscribe to Roger Stone's newsletter.





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  #2565644 16-Sep-2020 07:53
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Thanks John Key - for giving away our nation's reputation for a few pieces of silver - selling this abject POS billionaire a NZ passport so he can have a "back up plan" complete with survival bunker, close to an airport where he can drop in anytime in his private jet:

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosiegray/peter-thiel-donald-trump-white-nationalist-support


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  #2565645 16-Sep-2020 07:56
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SaltyNZ:

 

jarledb:

 

Stone says: "Trump should ... jail prominent figures including ... Mark Zuckerberg ..."

 

I ... think I want to subscribe to Roger Stone's newsletter.

 

 

I think the reasons you (and I) hate Zuckerberg and why Stone hates Zuckerberg are probably at opposite ends of a spectrum.


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  #2565648 16-Sep-2020 08:10
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"The President of the Free World"

 


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  #2565650 16-Sep-2020 08:14
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nathan:

 

 

 

It has to happen, change is possible.  My state, Washington is mail-in only now, so consequently has highest turnout of any state, ~90%.  Some voters are being introduced to ranked-choice (preferential) voting.  Reform is possible, and it will happen.  The current system, itself, by definition actually does the voter disenfranchisement, suppression and gerrymandering.

 

Majority of Americans say fundamental changes in structure of government are needed
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I agree with you that change is needed, but a majority of the Americans I know don't want/understand (for example) universal healthcare, they don't like the metric system, and Christ help you if try and take away their precious beloved guns...all of this would change what they know and have grown up with, and some (not all) don't want to see things change. From my experience it's mostly older people - my younger nieces/nephews are far more open to it.

 

The ones who I have had the chance to educate on life in NZ can see that not having a trillion guns floating around...or getting free healthcare...or using the metric system...are good things to have. Voting systems take a little longer - can you imagine trying to explain MMP (for example) to the entire American population? It would take ages for it to sink in.


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  #2565670 16-Sep-2020 08:46
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Fred99:

 

"The President of the Free World"

 

 

most American voters would probably be proud of that, they don't want their tax paying to be World Police.





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  #2565953 16-Sep-2020 13:29
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“Under a Biden-Harris administration, we will decriminalize the use of marijuana and automatically expunge all marijuana-use convictions, and end incarceration for drug use alone,” Harris said. “This is no time … for half-steppin’, this is no time for incrementalism. We need to deal with the system, and there needs to be significant change in the design of the system.”

 

It would be funny if Biden Harris win and in NZ we end up with Collins-Brownlee arch conservatives, still living the delusion that the "war on drugs" was working - despite overwhelming evidence that it's been one of the worst policy positions and social disaster pushed on the world by the USA since Nixon started freaking the country out about the incredible threat posed by hippies.

 

(apart from the "War on Drugs" correlating with an increase in use of drugs (the opposite of what was intended), it's been a great source of profit for Mujaheddin, Central and South American cartels, and the entire organised criminal sawn-off shotgun wielding dicks in NZ. Now dealing meth to your kids, driving Porsches and literally gold-plated Harleys, being represented by $1,000/hour QCs - and probably bribing cops)

 

 

 

 


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  #2565958 16-Sep-2020 13:33
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nathan:

 

Fred99:

 

"The President of the Free World"

 

 

most American voters would probably be proud of that, they don't want their tax paying to be World Police.

 

 

The rest of the world (with a few exceptions) also don't want the US as "World Police" either.  Especially a US that's actively sabotaging all organisations involved in agreements on security, trade, health, human rights, and environmental protection.


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