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  #2566007 16-Sep-2020 14:35
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Fred99:

 

The rest of the world (with a few exceptions) also don't want the US as "World Police" either.  Especially a US that's actively sabotaging all organisations involved in agreements on security, trade, health, human rights, and environmental protection.

 

 

 

We've entered an era of deglobalization, we need to invent a new world order, supply chains need to be rewired - sure international institutions are not prepared for that, having Trump around still blows their minds.  A lot of voters view globalization as a zero sum game - here we go back to 1930s isolationism and protectionism.

 

Small open economies aren't going to like the next decade.

 





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  #2566023 16-Sep-2020 15:22
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nathan:

 

Fred99:

 

The rest of the world (with a few exceptions) also don't want the US as "World Police" either.  Especially a US that's actively sabotaging all organisations involved in agreements on security, trade, health, human rights, and environmental protection.

 

 

We've entered an era of deglobalization, we need to invent a new world order, supply chains need to be rewired - sure international institutions are not prepared for that, having Trump around still blows their minds.  A lot of voters view globalization as a zero sum game - here we go back to 1930s isolationism and protectionism.

 

Small open economies aren't going to like the next decade.

 

 

That's one more reason I want Biden to win.  Small open nations like NZ have been used to being screwed over (ie it's very hard getting equitable trade access with the US, EU, Japan etc) and it's going to get worse for no benefit.  NZ does a LOT of trade with China and I hope can continue to do so *without* it becoming political - but being aware of Chinese hegemony and addressing it on another forum.  The Trumpian way is the wrong way, using trade as a coercive bargaining tool *always* backfires.  Trump's "exclusions" to sanctions to placate Iowa soybean farmers doesn't work and never will.  If you think for a second he'd not do deals to put Trump Hotels in China if he had the chance - of course he would - while simultaneously mouthing-off about Chinese military expansion blah blah.  Then there's Ivanka's handbag business.

 

One of Hillary's biggest mistakes IMO was her U-turn on TPP.  Of course many countries (Aus / NZ) didn't like lack of trade concessions by the US and pressure to change our trading relations to placate US "Big Pharma" - but on balance it was a step in the right direction.  But that was sabotaged by lies about how abandoning TPP would help the US Blue Collar worker.  4 years later - it hasn't - it's only benefited your intensely wealthy and oligarch class, most of whom are staunch Republicans.


 
 
 
 


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  #2566051 16-Sep-2020 15:42
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The Washington Post - Trump seems to believe in magic over science

 

today

 


President Trump doesn’t think Americans should put much stock in scientific consensus.

 

He prefers to sprinkle our most intractable and urgent problems with pixie dust and promises that - presto! - they will simply vanish.

 

The latest example of Trump’s magical thinking came Monday, when the president dismissed a suggestion that the dozens of fires raging across the West could be related to human-caused climate change.

 

Although 2020 is on track to be one of the hottest years on record, the president told state and local officials in McClellan Park, Calif., that “it will start getting cooler. You just watch.” ...

 

This is the same president who has insisted - repeatedly - that the novel coronavirus would simply “go away.” ...

 



 

 


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The New York Times - ‘Nothing to Do With Climate Change’: Conservative Media and Trump Align on Fires

 

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Rush Limbaugh told millions of his radio listeners to set aside any suggestion that climate change was the culprit for the frightening spate of wildfires ravaging California and the Pacific Northwest.

 

Man-made global warming is not a scientific certainty; it cannot be proven, nor has it ever been,” Mr. Limbaugh declared on his Friday show, disregarding the mountains of empirical evidence to the contrary. ...

 

Hours later, Fox News host Tucker Carlson said those who blamed climate change for the fires were merely reciting “a partisan talking point.” ...

 





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  #2566070 16-Sep-2020 16:20
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In my view it does not matter if Trump wins(very likely) or Biden wins the US is in for a violent crap storm and will reach beyond its borders. For the US 2020 was just the dress rehearsal.

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  #2566072 16-Sep-2020 16:26
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MikeB4: In my view it does not matter if Trump wins(very likely) or Biden wins the US is in for a violent crap storm and will reach beyond its borders. For the US 2020 was just the dress rehearsal.

 

Congrats @nathan. You finally have a recruit.

 

 





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  #2566078 16-Sep-2020 16:30
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Rikkitic:

MikeB4: In my view it does not matter if Trump wins(very likely) or Biden wins the US is in for a violent crap storm and will reach beyond its borders. For the US 2020 was just the dress rehearsal.


Congrats @nathan. You finally have a recruit.


 



For goodness sake leave the personal crap at the door and move on, it getting really tiresome. @freitasm has already raised this BS.

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  #2566103 16-Sep-2020 17:21
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nathan:

 

We've entered an era of deglobalization

 

 

Except, we haven't. What has happened to change the trade with China, other than Trump adding an extra tax on Americans for chinese goods?

 

The trade wars that Trump have been getting into has caused a lot of job losses in the US and it has raised the price of goods being imported, without manufacturing moving to the US.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2566105 16-Sep-2020 17:29
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A fundraising ad for US president Donald Trump’s re-election campaign reportedly used a stock photo featuring Russian fighter jets and weapons as part of a call for viewers to “support our troops”.



Silly Donald. You're supposed to show the military gear you use, not the gear your boss uses.

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  #2566108 16-Sep-2020 17:41
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Fred99:

and probably bribing cops)



There's no need to, we taxpayers are already paying the police to ensure marijuana prices remain artificially high, thus ensuring it's profitable for gangs to be involved in them. No need to pay a second time when the taxpayer is already footing the bill.

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  #2566123 16-Sep-2020 18:24
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neb: Silly Donald. You're supposed to show the military gear you use, not the gear your boss uses.


When elite liberals believe in a conspiracy theory, it becomes true, like Russiagate. It’s like birtherism for the left.

They start off with something vaguely real then add krazy kompromat and kooky stuff. America is plenty capable of dividing itself without the Democrats needing to blame Russia




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  #2566170 16-Sep-2020 18:49
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Sideface:

The Washington Post - Trump seems to believe in magic over science



Nothing up my sleeves. Nothing between my ears. Now for a sprinkling of my magic Adderall powder, and the magic words "snortius maximus! Grab bium pussymus"


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  #2566214 16-Sep-2020 20:11
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jarledb:

 

Roger Stone to Donald Trump: bring in martial law if you lose election.

 

Welcome to the banana republic of USA.

 

 

Welcome to a failed state

 

thinking about the worst scenarios for that 78 day transition time will be, given Americas history, and they may all happen at once

 

1860 Election tribal fallout where 7 states succeeded from the Union

 

1876 Hayes-Tilden disputed results that lasted until 2 days before the inauguration

 

1932 Hoover-Roosevelt economic disaster where sitting president didn't help president elect

 

Projecting the 78 harrowing days after the election





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  #2566230 16-Sep-2020 20:44
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jarledb:

 

nathan:

 

We've entered an era of deglobalization

 

 

Except, we haven't. What has happened to change the trade with China, other than Trump adding an extra tax on Americans for chinese goods?

 

 

certainly less globalization and probably the unwinding of existing

 

Subsequently pandemic, increased nationalism, unfavorable views of China reaching new historic highs, Americans faulting China for its role in the spread of COVID and still divided on whether globalization is good for their country or not

 





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  #2566237 16-Sep-2020 20:57
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I don't really understand the focus on China. It almost looks like a weird conspiracy theory in lieu of addressing real issues.

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gzt: I don't really understand the focus on China. It almost looks like a weird conspiracy theory in lieu of addressing real issues.

 

 

The US right is obsessed with China. No idea why, I assume because Eastasia makes a useful general-purpose bogeyman, sort of like the Commies in the 1950s.

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