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  #2566242 16-Sep-2020 21:03
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gzt: I don't really understand the focus on China. It almost looks like a weird conspiracy theory in lieu of addressing real issues.

 

exactly, just like Russiagate is.  A pantomime to distract simple tribal minds.





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  #2566246 16-Sep-2020 21:20
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nathan:

 

exactly, just like Russiagate is.  A pantomime to distract simple tribal minds.

 

 

You should perhaps read The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia (1997)

 

A couple of key plans:

 

 

The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe

 

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"

 

 

It's amazing how effective they have been in the UK and USA.  (and remarkable lack of care in both countries when their interference has been exposed - the governments don't care).


 
 
 
 


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  #2566251 16-Sep-2020 21:34
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Fred99:

You should perhaps read The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia (1997)

 

 

You forgot the preceding step for that:

 

 

You should learn Russian, and then ...

 

 

Agree that reading Dugin is a great way to understand Russian external strategy for the last 20 years or so.

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  #2566255 16-Sep-2020 21:45
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neb: You forgot the preceding step for that: You should learn Russian, and then ... Agree that reading Dugin is a great way to understand Russian external strategy for the last 20 years or so.

 

There's a great review for the Russian edition on Amazon:

 

 

The book is a fantastic political how-to for Russian world domination! I had a hard time reading it in its original Russian, so I figured I would wait for the movie. Unfortunately, Hollywood won't green-light anything unless it is a remake or a comic book these days, so it may be a few years before a movie is actually in theaters. HOWEVER, lucky for us, the play with Donald Trump as the American President opened in January 2017! The play is super realistic (damn near interactive) and much darker and scarier than black text on a white page could ever portray. It’s a non-stop thriller right from the get go. I'll admit I was a bit hesitant when I heard The Donald would be playing the part of the US President. And I’d be lying if I didn't admit that I thought to myself "I can't believe this guy is actually the President" a couple times when I was watching at the beginning. But the strength of the story does a magnificent job of sucking you in to believing his role as a compromised President. The intricate interweaving of the US election, Russian operatives, billionaire business interests, cyber espionage, and treason brings DC and global politics to life!...

 


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  #2566279 16-Sep-2020 23:03
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nathan:

 

exactly, just like Russiagate is.  A pantomime to distract simple tribal minds.

 

 

You seem to think that the Russian involvement in the 2016 election is a hoax? Or the Trump campaign involvement in it? Why is that?


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  #2566378 17-Sep-2020 04:25
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neb:
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The Russian bounty story, is deep-state propaganda, to derail the Taliban peace process and keep America's sons in Afghanistan for another 20 years.

 

Interesting, didn't know we had Inforwars/OANN viewers on Geekzone.

 

most Americans don't follow the news, just see a headline.

 

they'll never ever ever hear about a fake news story that later gets corrected.

 

Anything to make Drumpf look bad

 

The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan says in a new interview that he has not seen evidence to corroborate claims that Russian officials placed bounties on U.S. troops stationed in the Middle East.

 

Speaking with NBC News, Gen. Frank McKenzie said that reports in The New York Times and other media outlets indicating that U.S. intelligence officials were investigating reports that Russia was offering bounties to Taliban fighters for targeting U.S. service members had not been corroborated by evidence





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  #2566405 17-Sep-2020 07:46
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Rikkitic:Congrats @nathan. You finally have a recruit.


 



For the first time in US history, registered Independents outnumber registered Republicans or Democrats.




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  #2566415 17-Sep-2020 08:01
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nathan:

 

most Americans don't follow the news, just see a headline.

 

they'll never ever ever hear about a fake news story that later gets corrected.

 

Anything to make Drumpf look bad

 

The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan says in a new interview that he has not seen evidence to corroborate claims that Russian officials placed bounties on U.S. troops stationed in the Middle East.

 

Speaking with NBC News, Gen. Frank McKenzie said that reports in The New York Times and other media outlets indicating that U.S. intelligence officials were investigating reports that Russia was offering bounties to Taliban fighters for targeting U.S. service members had not been corroborated by evidence

 

 

You have actually presented a story which doesn't disprove the claim that Russia offered a bounty etc.  The General is tasked with getting American troops out of Afghanistan, what would you expect him to say?  Something to shoot the Commander in Chief in the back?

 

I think America has a big problem if they can't see from within that their President is compromised.  It's very easy to see from here that it's looking much like Russia - that a significant proportion of the public have been gaslighted and have stopped thinking for themselves or even read the news.  It's going to get worse.  Putin denied knowing anything or that Russia is involved with shooting down a civilian airliner, with assassinating people with Polonium and Novochock outside Russia, with countless extrajudicial killings within Russia.  But they love him...

 

If free and fair elections were held tomorrow, Putin would win again in a landslide.  They're (Russians) not living behind an iron curtain or information firewall, they're living in a state that controls the message the public sees effectively.  That's where you're heading in the US.  You're actually helping it too.  For example in the NBC link you provide above, you misquote the General and have created your own headline from what he said:

 

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me"

 

That falls well short of a denial that would suggest the NY Times presented "fake news".

 

Then also in the article:

 

"But asked whether he assesses the Taliban are not upholding their end of the peace agreement, McKenzie said, "Absolutely.""

 

So some US politicians want to exit Afghanistan because it's election year, the General tasked with exiting isn't so sure it's a good idea.

 

The end result of leaving will be that the US is probably going to have al Qaeda reborn with it's own nation state, which is going to be a huge ongoing PITA to everybody - including Russia.


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  #2566734 17-Sep-2020 11:09
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@nathan - a timely podcast for you from NZ's national broadcaster:

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018764399

 

A former Guardian Moscow correspondent, Luke Harding argues that President Putin - a former KGB agent himself - has merged organised crime, spycraft and government into a single entity with the aim of sowing chaos and division among Washington and its western allies.


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  #2566798 17-Sep-2020 12:48
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Oh, crap. Trump is going to be re-elected: "Median household income was $68,703 in 2019, an increase of 6.8 percent from the 2018 median of $64,324. The 2019 real median incomes of family households and nonfamily households increased 7.3 percent and 6.2 percent from their respective 2018 estimates."
 
https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2020/demo/p60-270.html  





 

 

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  #2566911 17-Sep-2020 15:47
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Trump Again Scorns Science on Vaccine and Masks

 

President Trump slapped down Dr. Robert Redfield, the C.D.C. chief, saying his emphasis on masks and his projected vaccine timeline were wrong.

 

It was perhaps the starkest example of Mr. Trump rejecting the advice of public health officials and the facts they provide. 

 

The New York Times - Trump contradicts the C.D.C. chief’s testimony on masks and vaccines.

 

today

 


President Trump rebuked the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday, saying that Dr. Robert R. Redfield offered “incorrect information” when he told a Senate panel earlier in the day that a coronavirus vaccine was unlikely to be widely available before the middle of next year. ...

 

Dr. Redfield had told senators that even if a vaccine were available now, vaccinating enough Americans for widespread immunity could take six to nine months. ...

 



 

... but Dr Trump always knows better ...

 





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  #2566969 17-Sep-2020 16:13
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nathan: For the first time in US history, registered Independents outnumber registered Republicans or Democrats.

Interesting stat. I'd like to know more. Do you have a source for this one?

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  #2566972 17-Sep-2020 16:18
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freitasm:

 

Oh, crap. Trump is going to be re-elected: "Median household income was $68,703 in 2019, an increase of 6.8 percent from the 2018 median of $64,324. The 2019 real median incomes of family households and nonfamily households increased 7.3 percent and 6.2 percent from their respective 2018 estimates."   https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2020/demo/p60-270.html 

 

 

This is pre-covid data:

 

From USA today:

 

 

Low-income Americans, who were laid off in disproportionate numbers by restaurants, retailer and businesses, in particular were less likely to respond to survey takers, Census says. After attempting to adjust for that gap to simulate a normal survey, Census found that median income would have increased 4.1% instead of 6.8% and the poverty rate would have declined 0.9 percentage points -- instead of 1.3 percentage points -- to 10.9%.

 

And while the improvements in income and poverty mark “a step in the right direction, many families have just barely made up for lost ground from the Great Recession” of 2007-09, Gould says.

 

After correcting for data collection inconsistencies before and after 2013, median income is 6.5% above the 2000 level, Gould says. And, she says, last year was the first in which nonelderly household income topped the 2000 level. That translates into average annual growth of just 0.2% over the past two decades.

 

 

Also demographic shifts in household makeup affect household income - individual incomes did not rise anywhere near as much.

 

  • Between 2018 and 2019, the real median earnings of all workers and full-time, year-round workers increased 1.4 percent and 0.8 percent, respectively (Figure 4 and Table A-6).
  • The 2019 real median earnings of men ($57,456) and women ($47,299) who worked full-time, year-round increased by 2.1 percent and 3.0 percent, respectively (Figure 4 and Table A-6).
  • The 2019 female-to-male earnings ratio was 0.823, not statistically different from the 2018 ratio (Figure 5).

 


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  #2566974 17-Sep-2020 16:20
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gzt:

 

nathan: For the first time in US history, registered Independents outnumber registered Republicans or Democrats.

 

 

Interesting stat. I'd like to know more. Do you have a source for this one?

 

 

Gallup has a table where it shows that Independents outnumber Republicans and Democrats.





 

 

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  #2566980 17-Sep-2020 16:26
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nathan: For the first time in US history, registered Independents outnumber registered Republicans or Democrats .

Interesting stat. I'd like to know more. Do you have a source for this one?

 

He won't - because it's really not true.  Fixed it for him.

 


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