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  #2567756 18-Sep-2020 17:28
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John Oliver and that gun-toting nut Philip something-or-other comes to mind.


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  #2567833 18-Sep-2020 19:42
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quickymart:

 

Christ, I hope that moron never gets his face added to Mt Rushmore. I understand that's for presidents who actually achieved something, not narcissistic ones full of their own self-congratulation.

 

 

Actually, it'd be an easy enough project. Just a steel framework with an reinforced concrete shell overlay. Two months, tops.

 

 

 

 

So, a cheap facade with no substance underneath. Sounds pretty on brand IMHO.





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  #2567835 18-Sep-2020 19:56
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Like a beautiful wall.




 

 

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  #2567838 18-Sep-2020 20:15
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freitasm: Like a beautiful wall.


A brilliant political metaphor for border security, that will never actually be built.




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  #2567846 18-Sep-2020 20:59
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nathan:
freitasm: Like a beautiful wall.


A brilliant political metaphor for border security, that will never actually be built.


Are you suggesting Trump has been using "Mexico will pay for the wall", "It will be a beautiful wall" as metaphors, not actual deliverables?




 

 

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  #2567850 18-Sep-2020 21:04
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freitasm: Are you suggesting Trump has been using "Mexico will pay for the wall", "It will be a beautiful wall" as metaphors, not actual deliverables?

 

 

I've seen a draft of "Depression", Bob Woodward's next book after "Fear" and "Rage", which quotes a recording of Trump saying "Of course Mexico won't pay for the wall, everyone knows that, but I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic".

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  #2567885 19-Sep-2020 02:04
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but God help you if you're pulled over by a Sherriff. Nationwide they are generally elected county officials. Nowadays if you know you're about to talk to a Sherriff, sending a text message with your location is a really good idea.

 

lucky ol Sheriff Joe 'Tent City' the-most-hated-law-man-in-Murica Arpaio got his atrocities pardoned by Trump, but also enabled by Democrats

 





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  #2567889 19-Sep-2020 03:19
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neb: just treat it as a break from any serious discussion.

 

Hilary said half of her opposition could be put in a “basket of deplorables”, not listening to voters serious policy concerns didn't work out so well





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  #2567890 19-Sep-2020 04:10
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freitasm:
Are you suggesting Trump has been using "Mexico will pay for the wall", "It will be a beautiful wall" as metaphors, not actual deliverables?

 

Yes, exactly - the wall started as a mnemonic device. Everyone knows politicians lie, that it cannot physically be built, won't be funded, and Mexico will not pay a pro forma invoice for a wall. 

 

Trump loves metaphors - across his nomination acceptance speech, his victory speech and his inaugural address, Trump used nearly 350 metaphors, 85% of the speeches.

 

The wall mnemonic device was created by the Fortress America team of Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, Sebastian Gorka, and Jeff Sessions; so famously-short-attention-spanned, non-teleprompter ranting Trump, the republican primary contender, would remember to stay on message, and bring the illegal immigration wedge issue up.

 

Resentment over immigration is a political weapon, immigrant-and-refugee-bashing separated him from the other Republican candidates, upended the party, and killed the immigration reform bill.

 

The threat of immigrants as a threat to the United States was a centerpiece of 2016 campaign.  The effectiveness of his rhetoric, says more about the American public, than it does about Donald Trump.

 

 





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  #2567899 19-Sep-2020 07:54
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Joe's first town hall meeting goes relatively okay (compared to Trump's):

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/joe-biden-donald-trump-town-halls-election-2020/index.html

 

 

 

I think Trump is going to find it difficult talking to voters (especially undecided ones) outside of the bubble of supporters he's surrounded himself with:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/16/politics/donald-trump-town-hall/index.html

 

 


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  #2567943 19-Sep-2020 10:10
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nathan:

 

freitasm:
Are you suggesting Trump has been using "Mexico will pay for the wall", "It will be a beautiful wall" as metaphors, not actual deliverables?

 

Yes, exactly - the wall started as a mnemonic device. Everyone knows politicians lie, that it cannot physically be built, won't be funded, and Mexico will not pay a pro forma invoice for a wall. 

 

Trump loves metaphors - across his nomination acceptance speech, his victory speech and his inaugural address, Trump used nearly 350 metaphors, 85% of the speeches.

 

The wall mnemonic device was created by the Fortress America team of Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, Sebastian Gorka, and Jeff Sessions; so famously-short-attention-spanned, non-teleprompter ranting Trump, the republican primary contender, would remember to stay on message, and bring the illegal immigration wedge issue up.

 

Resentment over immigration is a political weapon, immigrant-and-refugee-bashing separated him from the other Republican candidates, upended the party, and killed the immigration reform bill.

 

The threat of immigrants as a threat to the United States was a centerpiece of 2016 campaign.  The effectiveness of his rhetoric, says more about the American public, than it does about Donald Trump.

 

 

You are now giving excuses to justify yet another Trump stupidity. 

 

You are almost right - "The effectiveness of his rhetoric, says more about the American public, than it does about Donald Trump." actually says 50/50 - Trump's supporters are deplorable - "deplorable: deserving strong condemnation; completely unacceptable."

 

 

 

 





 

 

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  #2567944 19-Sep-2020 10:11
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nathan:

 

neb: just treat it as a break from any serious discussion.

 

Hilary said half of her opposition could be put in a “basket of deplorables”, not listening to voters serious policy concerns didn't work out so well

 

 

As above: "deplorable - deserving strong condemnation; completely unacceptable."

 

Their racists, white supremacist, extremist views deserve strong condemnation.





 

 

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  #2567946 19-Sep-2020 10:19
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Ig Nobel awards: US President Donald Trump, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Brazilian leader Jair Bolsonaro won the "Medical Education Award," along with a handful of other world leaders, for using the pandemic to teach the world that "politicians can have a more immediate effect on life and death than scientists and doctors can" - CNN

 

 





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  #2567975 19-Sep-2020 11:08
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Rikkitic:

 

Ig Nobel awards: US President Donald Trump, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Brazilian leader Jair Bolsonaro won the "Medical Education Award," along with a handful of other world leaders, for using the pandemic to teach the world that "politicians can have a more immediate effect on life and death than scientists and doctors can" - CNN

 

 

Also from the Ig Noble Prizes:
PEACE PRIZE [INDIA, PAKISTAN]
The governments of India and Pakistan, for having their diplomats surreptitiously ring each other’s doorbells in the middle of the night, and then run away before anyone had a chance to answer the door.





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  #2567976 19-Sep-2020 11:10
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This is an interesting article. I won't even quote here as it is important to read the whole thing to get the context: "Dear news media, stop covering the US as if it’s a democracy"

 

In a way, it supports @Nathan's statements that Trump is not the problem but a consequence, but without the disbelievable theories.





 

 

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