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#2568643 20-Sep-2020 13:54

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The Washington Post - Nine implications of Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death

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8. The coming fight will further erode public confidence in the neutrality and independence of the courts.

It is unimaginable now, but Ginsburg was confirmed by the Senate in 1993 on a 96 to 3 vote.

There will probably never again be such a lopsided vote for someone to go on the highest court in the land.

An angry and fragile country is about to become much more so. ...

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#2568709 20-Sep-2020 15:31

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nathan:
freitasm:Obama didn't "allow the next president to select the Supreme Court Justice". Obama's nominations were blocked for nine months by the Republican-controlled Senate, with Mitch McConnell saying it's wrong to have a nomination that close (nine months) to a Presidential election... Oh, the irony.
Its interesting because Obama even choose a pretty right nomination in Merrick Garland, he was either a Centrist who didn't care about challenging the Republicans or naïve in not being Nasty enough like McConnell was/is multiple times

The Senate must approve. It is logical that the president choose a candidate acceptable to most members. Garland was a good candidate in that respect.

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Interesting article on US media and why it's so screwed up:

The Post-Objectivity Era: Summary of "Hate Inc: Why Today's Media Makes Us Despise One Another"

An excerpt:

Trump, it seemed, was making everyone too much money. Worse, the increased media attention was pushing him to the nomination. Media companies were in a pickle. How could they keep the ratings without being accused of helping a potentially dangerous politician?

The Columbia Journalism Review later did a study that showed coverage of Trump went way up beginning in early 2016. Coverage also become significantly less policy-focused and more focused on his personality.

I don’t have any problem with negative coverage of Donald Trump, I wrote a lot of it. The problem was the new formula – described by the New York Times as “copious coverage and aggressive coverage” – fit perfectly into the commercial needs of the corporate press. Trump was the perfect modern media product.

In the post-objectivity era, media companies learned there was a consistent, dependable way to make money. First, identify an audience. Then, relentlessly feed it streams of stories that validate that audience’s belief systems.

The easiest method is to publish stories that present people your audience does not like in a negative light. Fox did this with terrorists, criminals, feminists, liberals, the French, the “New Black Panthers,” and a thousand other bugbears. The more horror stories they showed, the bigger their market share.

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Media companies are very aware of this dynamic, but in the Trump era it became possible to avoid this problem with ease. What’s happened since 2016 is the news landscape has split into news for people who love Trump, and people who hate him.

The world as represented in news programs is now almost exactly Crossfire. We only see two ideas. These ideas are shown to be in constant combat. There is no pretense of a hope for cooperation or accommodation. It’s constant combat.

Audiences are completely siloed. A Pew study that just came out showed that of the people who say Fox is their primary news source, 93% describe themselves as Republicans. For MSNBC, the number is 95% Democrats. The New York Times is 91% Democrats. Even NPR is now 87% Democrats.

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#2568775 20-Sep-2020 20:14

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The previous post referred to this study:

Fox News for Republicans, everything that isn't Fox News for everyone else.

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#2568824 20-Sep-2020 20:33

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The three things I can safely say is that Trump doesn't have a sense of humor, since higher thinking is needed.

I also find it ironic that over 65's complain that the young act entitled, when many retired Americans are ridiculously self-entitled.

Trump's not going to win Arizona, because Hispanics made up 29.0% of Arizona's population, plus many retirees are rightly terrified of the virus.

I have other thoughts but expressing those would get me a visit from the Secret Service

Forbes: Trump Says He Will ‘Negotiate’ Third Term Because He’s ‘Entitled’ To It

During a rally in Minden, Nevada, Trump predicted he would win reelection and carry Nevada, a state he lost narrowly in 2016.

“After that,” Trump said, “we’ll negotiate,” asserting that he’s “probably entitled to another four after that” based on “the way we were treated.”

The comments echo ones Trump made during a rally in Wisconsin in August, in which he stated he would win four more years and “go for another four years” because “they spied on my campaign,” likely referencing his unproven “Obamagate” theory.

Michael Cohen, Trump’s former fixer-turned prolific critic, has argued that Trump’s comments should not be disregarded as humor, instead asserting that Trump believes he should be the “ruler” or “dictator” of the U.S. and wants to “change the Constitution.”

Cohen predicted that, were Trump to win reelection, “he is going to automatically day number one start thinking how he can change the Constitution for a third term, and then a fourth term.”...

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#2568836 20-Sep-2020 20:49

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No way in hell would anyone let him change the Constitution. Like I said, Americans don't like change, and I bet they definitely wouldn't like some pissant trying to be President (because he's not really putting in any effort, is he?) change the Constitution just so he can stay in charge for as long as he likes.

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#2568839 20-Sep-2020 20:53

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quickymart:
No way in hell would anyone let him change the Constitution.

Luckily the founding fathers foresaw this, it's almost impossible to change the Constitution. One amendment that was made took over 200 years to pass, for example.

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#2568873 20-Sep-2020 23:14

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quickymart: No way in hell would anyone let him change the Constitution.
Luckily the founding fathers foresaw this, it's almost impossible to change the Constitution. One amendment that was made took over 200 years to pass, for example.

The term limit itself is a 1951 amendment. It can be repealed in the same way.

2/3 majority in the house and senate + 3/4 of the state houses must agree.

It's regularly proposed for removal by both republicans and democrats in the house and senate with little support.

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#2568874 20-Sep-2020 23:30

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guy who predicted Trump win by analyzing voter sentiments says current climate would give Trump another term

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12366438

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#2568875 20-Sep-2020 23:36

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/opinion/2020-election-prediction-allan-lichtman.html

This guy has picked almost every election since 1980, however. This time he's picking for Biden.

Note: no way would Minnesota go Republican, not that I can see anyway (and I have lots of family there, about 95% Democrats).

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freitasm:

This is an interesting article. I won't even quote here as it is important to read the whole thing to get the context: "Dear news media, stop covering the US as if it’s a democracy"

In a way, it supports @Nathan's statements that Trump is not the problem but a consequence, but without the disbelievable theories.

once you get over that hurdle, and down that rabbit hole, and have your eyes wide open, you'll find the 'theories' I post here aren't theories, nor unbelievable.

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Sideface:An angry and fragile country is about to become much more so. ...

Filling the Federal Court System with conservative, particular socially conservative judges, is the glue that still binds the GOP together. They've made a record out of it.

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#2568887 21-Sep-2020 05:19

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quickymart:

Joe's first town hall meeting goes relatively okay (compared to Trump's):

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/joe-biden-donald-trump-town-halls-election-2020/index.html

We must've watched different Town Halls - media bias was clearly on display - CNN friendly; ABC aggressive, they didn't even try to hide it, I don't know how you didn't see it.

CNN/Cooper used kid-gloves on Biden, the friendly audience, stacked with Dems (13/16 audience members), gave him sympathetic, softball questions, only 1 Q he got from a Rep voter, on regulation, was hostile. Cooper didn't interrogate Biden at all.

Stark contrast with ABC/Stephanopoulos gave Trump stern questions, and quite rightly so, faced hostile questions from the audience. He did what a journalist should, asked candidate tough questions, gave them a hard time and pushed back on BS. Not interrogating candidates is pathetic.

It doesn't get Biden ready to face tough questions during the debates from Trump or Fox/Chris Wallace or CNN/Jake Tapper. The American public deserve to see and hear from their 2 choices, not this tightly stage managed thing since Joe came out of his basement, that the media are complicit in, refusing to take questions, controlling which media can ask questions, and controlling the questions themselves - letting Biden coast to a victory on the publics memory of him from a decade ago, instead of today.

"We tried to be tough on Clinton and look where it got us"

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#2568897 21-Sep-2020 06:44

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No way in hell would anyone let him change the Constitution. Like I said, Americans don't like change, and I bet they definitely wouldn't like some pissant trying to be President (because he's not really putting in any effort, is he?) change the Constitution just so he can stay in charge for as long as he likes.

depends on who controls the senate and the house.

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Batman:
quickymart:

No way in hell would anyone let him change the Constitution. Like I said, Americans don't like change, and I bet they definitely wouldn't like some pissant trying to be President (because he's not really putting in any effort, is he?) change the Constitution just so he can stay in charge for as long as he likes.

depends on who controls the senate and the house.

And there’s no debate the Republicans have any chance of winning the Government trifecta this time around, it’s silly that the constitution changing thing even gets brought up currently

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