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  #2577013 1-Oct-2020 09:25
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nathan:

 

Fred99:

 

Doesn't matter what you "think" you hear.  It matters what "Proud Boys" etc do hear - they're the ones with the guns, a fascist ideology, uniforms, a history of political violence.

 

 

sure, and what ANTIFA heard from that debate last night is Biden is OK with them being let them loose on the streets of Portland for 100+ consecutive nights in a row

 

 

That's utter BS - and "antifa" is an ideology - not a paramilitary organisation.


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  #2577019 1-Oct-2020 09:36
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Fred99:

 

That's utter BS - and "antifa" is an ideology - not a paramilitary organisation.

 

 

both of them are ideologies, both of them are organized, both of them are violent, both of them carry weapons

 

I get what you're saying - but if you're being fair, and people hear what they hear, that cuts both ways

 

In the same way never-Trumpers hear "sure" meaning "no, I do support white supremacist's", so do Biden-haters take something away from his law order Portland messaging





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  #2577037 1-Oct-2020 10:22
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nathan:

 

both of them are ideologies, both of them are organized, both of them are violent, both of them carry weapons

 

I get what you're saying - but if you're being fair, and people hear what they hear, that cuts both ways

 

In the same way never-Trumpers hear "sure" meaning "no, I do support white supremacist's", so do Biden-haters take something away from his law order Portland messaging

 

 

Well I'm certainly "antifa" - I'm neither violent nor carry weapons, nor a member of any organised political group.

 

You're arguing that violence supporting fascism and violence opposing fascism are morally equal.

 

They aren't.  You need your head read.


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  #2577052 1-Oct-2020 10:52
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Fred99:

 

Well I'm certainly "antifa" - I'm neither violent nor carry weapons, nor a member of any organised political group.

 

You're arguing that violence supporting fascism and violence opposing fascism are morally equal.

 

They aren't.  You need your head read.

 

 

I'm not arguing that.   In that context I'm antifa too.  But its not an "ideology" that stops me being able to safely walk on the streets outside my Apartment every May 1, May Day, here in Seattle





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  #2577178 1-Oct-2020 11:47
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Should I laugh or should I cry? ...

 


 

 

 

BBC News - Trump ads push baseless Biden earpiece conspiracy

 

By Marianna Spring

 

Specialist disinformation reporter, BBC News    <<<

 

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US President Donald Trump's re-election campaign is running hundreds of Facebook advertisements pushing an unfounded conspiracy theory that Joe Biden cheated during the first US presidential debate.

 

The adverts show the Democratic Party challenger with an earpiece *, and say that he refused to have his ears checked for devices prior to the debate.

 

The Biden campaign rejected the claims.

 

The Trump campaign adverts ask: "Why won't Sleepy Joe commit to an ear test?" and "Who is in Joe's ear?" ...

 



 

* The photo featured in the advert is not from Tuesday's debate. It was first shared online in September 2019. It has been doctored to show Mr Biden wearing wireless Apple headphones. ...





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  #2577192 1-Oct-2020 12:21
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I read on Twitter that there is a rat inside Donald Trump’s head that operates his mouth.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  #2577200 1-Oct-2020 12:35
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  #2577203 1-Oct-2020 12:43
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Rikkitic:  I read on Twitter that there is a rat inside Donald Trump’s head that operates his mouth.

 



 





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  #2577346 1-Oct-2020 15:14
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The Washington Post - Trump plans big Wisconsin rallies despite White House task force calls for ‘maximal’ social distancing

 

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President Trump has scheduled large campaign rallies this weekend in Wisconsin despite recommendations from the White House Coronavirus Task Force that call for increasing social distancing in the state “to the maximal degree possible.”

 

The task force has further flagged La Crosse and Green Bay, the metropolitan areas where Trump plans to gather thousands of supporters Saturday, as coronavirus “red zones,” the highest level of concern for community spread of the virus ...

 

Wisconsin [has] the third-highest rate of new cases in the country ... about 2.6 times greater than the national average. 

 

Ahead of Trump’s scheduled rally in Green Bay, the hospital in that city is at 94 percent capacity as covid-19 continues to spike in the community.

 

State health officials announced 27 new deaths from the disease Wednesday, the highest on record. ...

 



 

What could possibly go wrong?  😶





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  #2577377 1-Oct-2020 17:06
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The Hill: Trump aides struggle to defend Proud Boys remarks at debate

White House and campaign aides on Wednesday struggled to clean up President Trump's comments a night earlier in which he declined to explicitly condemn white supremacy, instead directing a far-right group to "stand back and stand by" during the first presidential debate.

Trump's comments about the Proud Boys, a far-right militia group, dominated headlines the morning after the debate.

Multiple Trump surrogates faced questions about the remarks during cable news hits, where they downplayed his calls for the group to "stand by" and pointed to the president's past denunciations of white supremacists.

"I don’t think that there’s anything to clarify," White House communications director Alyssa Farah said on Fox News.

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Hogan Gidley, the national press secretary for the Trump campaign, was more forceful in his own condemnation of the Proud Boys and his interpretation of the president's words.

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Multiple Trump allies have argued that Trump has on multiple occasions condemned white supremacist groups. The president ... has typically only denounced them after being repeatedly coaxed to do so.

...The Proud Boy group celebrated Trump's comments. One social media account affiliated with the self-described "white chauvinist" organization added Trump's comments to the Proud Boys logo.

A prominent Proud Boy posted on conservative Twitter-alternative Parler that "Trump basically said to go f--- them up! this makes me so happy."

"President Trump told the proud boys to stand by because someone needs to deal with ANTIFA... well sir! we're ready!!" the organizer added.

...The president's reluctance to unequivocally condemn white supremacists on the debate stage exasperated some of his allies on Wednesday.

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum (R) called it a "huge gaffe," while Fox News host Brian Kilmeade lamented that Trump whiffed on "the biggest layup in the history of debates" by failing to condemn white supremacy...

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  #2577379 1-Oct-2020 17:22
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Axios - Trump says he doesn't know who Proud Boys are after telling them to "stand by"

 

today  [as shown on Fox News video]

 

President Trump told reporters on Wednesday that he doesn't know who the Proud Boys are ...

 


TRUMP: "I don't know who the Proud Boys are. You'll have to give me a definition because I really don't know who they are. I can only say they have to stand down and let law enforcement do their work. ... As people see how bad this radical liberal Democrat movement is and how weak, the law enforcement is going to come back stronger and stronger. But again, I don't know who Proud Boys are, but whoever they are, they have to stand down and let law enforcement do their work.

 

REPORTER: "Mr. President, during the speech when you said 'stand by,' that might be ... [inaudible]"

 

TRUMP: "Just stand by. Look, law enforcement will do their work. They're going to stand down, they have to stand down. Everybody. Whatever group you are talking about, let law enforcement do the work. Now, antifa is a real problem. Because the problem is on the left. And Biden refuses to talk about it."

 



 

 

 





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  #2577404 1-Oct-2020 18:33
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Sideface:
President Trump told reporters on Wednesday that he doesn't know who the Proud Boys are ...

 

Isn't it amazing?

 

The POTUS  - with a prestigious degree from Wharton, an uncle who knew everything about all stuff nuclear, a billionaire, one of the greatest deal-makers the world has ever had the privilege to share the planet with...

 

...he truly doesn't know who "the Proud Boys" are...

 

Yet I do.

 

I bet if there was an organised group of heavily armed paramilitary thugs that wanted to hang him by the neck, like strange fruit from a poplar tree, he'd be phoning his uncle for advice on how to nuke them.

 

Trump is a monster, a fascist, a racist, and a filthy liar.

 

 


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  #2577409 1-Oct-2020 18:48
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Fred99: ... Trump is a monster, a fascist, a racist, and a filthy liar.

 

 

You forgot Malignant Narcissist.   😐





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  #2577415 1-Oct-2020 18:59
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Fred99:

 

...he truly doesn't know who "the Proud Boys" are...

 

 

What are the proud boys so proud of? The fact that they can't get a woman? I hear there are dolls for that.

 

 

 

 





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  #2577420 1-Oct-2020 19:31
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Rikkitic:  What are the proud boys so proud of? The fact that they can't get a woman? I hear there are dolls for that.

 

 

On their website one description says:

 

Our group is and will always be MEN ONLY (born with a penis if that wasn’t clear enough for you leftists)!

 

It may seem counter intuitive that a men-only group would have such a big female following, but nobody wants men to be men more than the women who depend on them.”

 

The reality is that very few females agree with the Proud Boys and their motives.

 

A woman in Portland recently described them as "Proud little penis Boys". (as broadcast on Radio NZ today)   🙂





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