Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2586770 17-Oct-2020 21:00

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The Washington Post - Opinions - Why would any woman swipe right * for this man?

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It is the ageless cry of the jilted man.

“Will you please like me?” President Trump asked at a campaign rally Tuesday. “Please? Please?”

Trump’s entreaty was addressed to suburban women, or, as he has previously called them, “housewives.”

To his plea to be liked, he added this justification: “I saved your damn neighborhood, okay? The other thing, I don’t have that much time to be that nice.”

It’s a wonder Trump’s manifold charms aren’t working on women. Who among them wouldn’t swipe right * on this profile?

Big, beautiful, Straight Orange Male with history of adultery seeks white housewives for Big Macs and friendship with political benefits.
Enjoys QAnon pedophile conspiracies and armed intimidation of civil rights demonstrators.
Turnoffs: science, fitness, manners.
Prefers that women sign NDAs and answer to “pig,” “dog,” “monster” and “nasty.”

* What is swiping right?

slang To show interest in or approval of someone or something in an app.
The phrase was popularized by the dating app Tinder, in which users "swipe right" on the screen to indicate interest in a potential mate.

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#2586835 17-Oct-2020 23:22

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Wouldn't it be nice if Trump learned some manners and could behave as graciously as Judith did, if he loses?
Christ, the bloke is in his 70s but I swear he acts like a spoilt 7 year old sometimes.

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#2586847 17-Oct-2020 23:25

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quickymart:
Christ, the bloke is in his 70s but I swear he acts like a spoilt 7 year old sometimes.

That's exactly how a narcissist behaves.

Also probably time to re-post the How to Interview Trump link, although it was more apropos during the debate with Biden.

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#2586870 18-Oct-2020 06:03

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Looks like they've let him out.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/09/politics/chris-christie-coronavirus-trump/index.html

According to nbc news (youtube full broadcast recording) 16 oct he is one of 10 special exemptions to receive the antibodies from said drug company (sorry can't remember name. Not the lily one)

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#2587017 18-Oct-2020 12:35

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neb:
quickymart:

Christ, the bloke is in his 70s but I swear he acts like a spoilt 7 year old sometimes.

That's exactly how a narcissist behaves. Also probably time to re-post the How to Interview Trump link, although it was more apropos during the debate with Biden.

Thanks for the link, neb. Definitely worth a read if you have time:

Seth Abramson on Twitter

We start with the obvious and easily understood part: Trump only permits himself to be questioned as frequently as he does because he has no intention of answering any of the questions asked. The questions exist merely as opportunities for him to say whatever he wants to say.

So as an interviewee, Trump doesn't much analyze a question's *content*; rather, he listens to a question merely to determine—and this is key—the *earliest possible moment he can interrupt his interviewer* and begin speaking about whatever it is that *he* wants to speak about.

But Trump's Achilles heel—as ever—is his *vanity*. He does *not* want to *appear* unwilling to answer certain questions, or to be cowed by any question, so he can only interrupt questioners at what he considers a *marginally* socially acceptable point to stage an interruption.

Here's the rub: social conventions for interruption—once we get beyond the fact that interrupting is *almost* always wrong—draw a *bright line* between interrupting someone who is still forming a thought and interrupting someone who has already formed at *least* one thought.

This aspect of social convention *works against professional journalists*. The reason? Journalists are trained to ask questions in a way that situates their interviewee within a *context*, first. So they often start with a context-setting statement that outlines basic facts.

So a White House correspondent may begin a question this way:

"Mr. President, you spoke yesterday about the Navy ship that just reached New York City—"

INTERRUPTION!

Trump can now *interrupt*, as a thought has been formed. He can now talk about the ship the way *he* wants.

So what mistake did the journalist make? The journalist failed to use what grammarians call the "periodic sentence." A periodic sentence is a sentence *that doesn't achieve grammatical completion until almost the very end of the sentence*. It's a journalist's best friend, now.

When you use a "periodic sentence," you don't complete a thought until the *very end* of your sentence—which makes it almost impossible for a chronic interrupter to interrupt you, because (a) it's not socially acceptable, and (b) they *don't know where your question is going*.

So let's try out a periodic sentence to see if it frustrates the {INTERRUPT} moment that a chronic dissembler, misinformer, and—yes—interrupter is waiting for to break into his questioner's presentation of facts/data and shift focus, instead, to whatever *he* wants to discuss.

"Mr. President, many Americans get very confused when you—in discussing the virus and the work of America's governors—react to the data you see in individual states by attaching to lower infection and death figures the idea that lower figures mean a governor is 'doing well.'"

Because the president's language use is at a fifth-grade level, and because he fears appearing scared of any question, the likelihood he has *any clue whatsoever* as to where to interrupt *that* sentence is virtually zero. And while he's working *that* out, the journalist hits him with *another* periodic sentence: "Do you understand that it's government policies, rather than raw figures, that—when you're analyzing how an executive like yourself is doing—have to be assessed?" Those two sentences can be written out by a journalist in advance.

The goal is for the journalist to take two minor "hits" to their *usual* journalistic practice—(1) the form in which they ask questions, (2) an aversion to pre-writing questions—for the purpose of both grammatically and socially frustrating a dangerously talented interrupter.

If journalists don't start (a) using periodic sentences, and (b) writing out questions so they can reflexively use more difficult syntax and sentence structure to frustrate an interviewee with fifth-grade reading comprehension, they will continue to fail in questioning Trump.

But don't take my word for it: I urge you to watch White House pressers in the coming days and *hear* how frequently journalists "set context" early on in a way that *facilitates* the interruption of their own questions. I *promise* you'll become (even more) infuriated.

PS: The alternative option comes from another area I teach, pre-law—specifically, in the way attorneys are trained to cross-examine witnesses. In cross-examination, you make a *statement* (you don't ask a question) that focuses on *one fact* and *requires* a "yes" or "no" answer.

So the "legal" rather than "grammatical" solution to Trump's transparent interruption strategy is to ask a) *very* short "questions" that b) are in fact *statements* and thus c) give him no *time* to interrupt before the "question"—which is really a statement—has been made.

For instance: "Mr. President, you *know* there's no connection between the raw coronavirus data in a given state and how well the state's governor is doing?" Trump will be so taken aback by being cross-examined—"questioned" via *statement*—he will be profoundly wrong-footed

Trump's brain processes things so slowly that if you ask a "question" like the one I proposed, he'll likely rely instinctively on his lame anti-media posture and say, "Well, I don't agree" before even understanding your statement (which you will have made sure *is* correct).

At *that* point you *will* have news to report, because you will have just gotten the U.S. president to say that it's not the policies an executive sets for his territory but simply *raw infection data* that determines success—which *is* what he believes (and it's *wrong*).

I should hasten to add that in an *actual* cross-examination—i.e. in court—you wouldn't say, "Mr. President, you *know* there's no connection between the raw coronavirus data in a given state and how well the state's governor is doing?" Rather, in *court* you would do this:

"There's no connection between the raw coronavirus data in a given state and how well the state's governor is doing." (That is, an actual cross-examination—rather than a journalistic adaptation of the cross-examination format—really *is* a statement with no question mark.)

I won't turn this into a thread on cross-examination—its own fascinating topic—but yes, the way TV depicts cross-examination *isn't* how it works. What you do is throw a *statement* at the witness—with no question mark—in a context in which they must respond "yes" or "no."

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#2587088 18-Oct-2020 14:22

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quickymart:

Looks like they've let him out.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/09/politics/chris-christie-coronavirus-trump/index.html

According to nbc news (youtube full broadcast recording) 16 oct he is one of 10 special exemptions to receive the antibodies from said drug company (sorry can't remember name. Not the lily one)

Trump reckons he's going to be giving away the drug "free". Then again, he reckoned he'd release his tax returns, declassify all the files on Hillary, build a wall that Mexico would pay for, reduce the deficit, and ban windmills because they cause cancer and kill all the birds.

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#2587137 18-Oct-2020 15:01

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The Guardian - New Trump golf course provokes fury in Scotland (again)

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Donald Trump has said he might leave the US if he loses the White House to Joe Biden next month.

If so, he has just been handed the perfect place to eke out his final days – by playing golf on a new course in Aberdeenshire, his second in the area.

If Trump does choose such an option, he can expect a robust welcome from conservationists, however.

They say last week’s decision by Aberdeenshire council planners to approve the course could have a catastrophic impact on the area’s delicate environment.

Trump built a course on the Menie estate, north of Aberdeen, in 2012, and its construction has been blamed for badly damaging the spectacular dunes system at nearby Foveran Links, an official site of special scientific interest (SSSI). ...

According to www.trumpgolfcount.com, Trump has visited his golf clubs 280 times during his presidency, playing on 140 occasions.

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#2587174 18-Oct-2020 18:01

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A week after a plot to kidnap the Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer was unveiled, Trump leads a rally in Michigan - and it ends up with the crowd chanting "lock her up" and he replying "lock them all up"

This is what hate looks like.

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This is pure fascism:

Elected official was targeted for kidnapping by a heavily armed terrorist group that the US President refuses to condemn. They are arrested by the FBI.

Trump holds a rally, people are there wearing red hats as symbols of "patriotism" (not actually - they've pledged absolute loyalty to their cult-leader - not to the constitution of the country)

They chant "lock her up", delighting the fascist leader who replies "lock them all up".

No doubt many "republicans" watch this crap on Fox News and cheer, Fox even have a banner stating that "Biden handed control of his part to the hardcore militant left".

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#2587178 18-Oct-2020 18:07

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Haha - MF beat me by three minutes. Snap. I'd delete my post, but it's worth saying twice.

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#2587179 18-Oct-2020 18:11

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Very worthy.

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#2587181 18-Oct-2020 18:14

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"It’s tempting to use the analogy of rats fleeing a sinking ship to describe the growing number of Republican elected officials starting to speak out against Donald Trump. But that's really not fair to rats, who tend not to be complicit in driving ships to the bottom of the sea." (Dan Rather)

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#2587229 18-Oct-2020 21:05

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I dunno, from what I've seen most Republicans seem to scared to dare badmouth their dear leader - look what he does to the ones to are brave enough to try and go against him. It's like they're all scared for their lives or something.

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#2587242 18-Oct-2020 21:49

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Long and interesting writeup on the Trump administration's hobbling of the CDC during the pandemic. tl;dr, money is more important than people, so business as usual and ignore the rising flames.

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The New York Times - Opinion - The Case Against Donald Trump

By The Editorial Board

16 Oct 2020 (extract)

Donald Trump’s re-election campaign poses the greatest threat to American democracy since World War II.

Mr. Trump’s ruinous tenure already has gravely damaged the United States at home and around the world.

He has abused the power of his office and denied the legitimacy of his political opponents, shattering the norms that have bound the nation together for generations.

He has subsumed the public interest to the profitability of his business and political interests.

He has shown a breathtaking disregard for the lives and liberties of Americans.

He is a man unworthy of the office he holds. ...

Nov. 3 can be a turning point. This is an election about the country’s future, and what path its citizens wish to choose.

One reader's response:

The editorial is all true. It leaves out three important facts:

1. Donald Trump was elected by Americans fully knowing he was a deplorable person saying despicable things.

2. The vast majority of elected Republicans have vigorously defended and supported President Trump in spite of every evil he has committed throughout his first four year term.

3. So many Americans STILL support Donald Trump that his defeat in the upcoming election is not a sure thing.

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