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  #1668304 11-Nov-2016 22:10
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John Key and Donald Trump should get on well.    They both fly around in Boeing 757's.    Must be some sort of potential for a photo op. for both of them in that!


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  #1668308 11-Nov-2016 22:20
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amiga500:

 

John Key and Donald Trump should get on well.    They both fly around in Boeing 757's.    Must be some sort of potential for a photo op. for both of them in that!

 

 

 

 

Trump's appears to work better...!






 
 
 
 


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  #1668312 11-Nov-2016 22:28
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Bobdn:

 

http://www.steynonline.com/7592/building-the-wall-shattering-the-ceiling

 

I like Mark Steyn's comments here about Trump being a true outsider: "But Trump really did shatter the glass ceiling. We're told that "anyone can grow up to be president", but in practice you have to be a politician or have won the Second World War. Trump is the first non-"public servant" to shatter the glass ceiling. He's proved you can win the presidency without being a Bush or a Clinton or a lifetime member of the political class."

 

Sorry, another great article from Steyn.  I really love his writing:

 

http://www.steynonline.com/7593/when-everyone-hitler-nobody-hitler 

 

In much of western Europe, on all the issues that matter, competitive politics decayed to a rotation of arrogant co-regents of an insular elite, with predictable consequences: if the political culture forbids respectable politicians from raising certain issues, then the electorate will turn to unrespectable ones."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm +1000 ing that. I've never read his stuff but, boy, what a refreshingly erudite and sensible piece. If only we had people writing like that for NZ papers etc I might actually read them.

 

That bit about transgendered bathrooms made me laugh so loud it woke the dogs!






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  #1668313 11-Nov-2016 22:29
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Why is it that some people seem to want to denigrate some parts of the US (and to much the same extent UK) electorate because they voted for someone else.

 

I've seen several reports now saying the election result was the result of the "uneducated/blue collar workers" voting for Trump or Brexit, with the inference these people really don't know what they're doing and shouldn't have a vote.  

 

This quote

The British ethologist and author of the book The God Delusion wrote how "the two largest nations in the English-speaking world have just suffered catastrophes at the hands of voters - in both cases the uneducated, anti-intellectual portion of voters".
from here  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11746387 is a good example.

 

How arrogant can some people be?

 

Just because you have some form of higher education doesn't mean you know best.  Just as there are uneducated fools, there are educated fools.

 

I'm reminded of the story of the aircraft with 5 people on board that was about to crash.  There was only 4 parachutes. On board was of course the pilot, an elderly man of the cloth, a rising leader, a young back packer and a recent university graduate.

 

One person was going to miss out on a parachute. It was decided that the rising leader should have a parachute as the country needed people like him, the pilot had a young family so he got a parachute, the university graduate spoke up and made a case for him to have a parachute as well, since he was a brainy highly educated intellectual.

 

That left the back packer and the Minister.  The Minister said to the young backpacker that as he was elderly and had only a short time left to do good in this world and as the backpacker was young and had plenty of time to achieve good things the young backpacker should have the last parachute.

 

The rising leader grabbed a parachute and jumped out, as did the brainy intellectual and the pilot. As the Minister was about to farewell the young backpacker the backpacker handed him a parachute. The Minister protested and told the backpacker he should take it as already agreed, to which the backpacker replied there was no need, as the brains trust had grabbed his backpack and there was a parachute for the both of them. cool

 

 





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  #1668315 11-Nov-2016 22:29
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The Key word right there- "appears"




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  #1668365 12-Nov-2016 07:01
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Geektastic:

 

amiga500:

 

John Key and Donald Trump should get on well.    They both fly around in Boeing 757's.    Must be some sort of potential for a photo op. for both of them in that!

 

 

Trump's appears to work better...!

 

 

Donald Trump - Air Force One

 

John Key - Air Farce One


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  #1668374 12-Nov-2016 08:26
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Technofreak:

 

 

 

I've seen several reports now saying the election result was the result of the "uneducated/blue collar workers" voting for Trump or Brexit, with the inference these people really don't know what they're doing and shouldn't have a vote.  

 

 

 

 

That is the stat that came out, but not the inference. The issue was they are the downtrodden and forgotten, and that as generally in the lower sector of incomes, the most affected by the Obama govt. It was too much, and time for a change for them. 


 
 
 
 


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  #1668387 12-Nov-2016 08:45
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Technofreak:

 

I've seen several reports now saying the election result was the result of the "uneducated/blue collar workers" voting for Trump or Brexit, with the inference these people really don't know what they're doing and shouldn't have a vote.   

 

 

 

 

I haven't seen that inferred (by anybody remotely credible) - especially the part suggesting that they shouldn't have a vote.

 

However, that the "numbers people" working on campaigns will very much use stereotypes around education and social class in polling, to spin their campaigns to appeal to those groups.  Those "spun" messages aren't necessarily overt - "dog whistle" messages can be an extremely effective way of communicating messages which would cause widespread outrage if stated blatantly. 
But Trump hardly bothered with dog-whistling, he seems to have decided that it wasn't necessary, say whatever you like, and if the media or establishment or even your own party don't like it, then attack them for being "PC" as a symptom of the "establishment".  He did it very well - it did appeal to those people - and more. Perhaps he didn't use pollsters, demographics etc - just had an incredible instinct - he's certainly quite the showman and seemed to be ad libbing much of the time. Incredibly, he managed to do it without alienating the hard religious right - the same ones who'd almost managed to impeach Bill Clinton, in a protracted campaign of howling moral outrage after Bill did something not very interesting at all.  I'm confident Trump's done worse.

 

Clinton's "we'll take the moral high ground" response seemed very lame - it made me cringe - even though that's what I would have done.  What else could you do?  Perhaps the problem wasn't with the (her) message, only with the delivery.

 

There's no need to say that Trump's campaign was better, he knew how to work the crowd, and that with the way things work, he won a democratically held election fair and square.

 

The result is hideously awful, in my opinion and in many others opinions.   The USA has IMO elected a tyrant, democratically, fairly, willingly.  

 

The "he's not my president" protesters are wrong.  He most certainly is their president.  If they continue with the present message, and there's more violence / rioting, they're going to be crushed.  Then when some of the Trump policies come out, there won't be room for credible protest.


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  #1668389 12-Nov-2016 08:47
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I see he first tweeted that the protesters were unfair. Now he has praised them for their passion for the country. This chopping and changing seems to be a growing pattern. And mentioned in the campaign about his past as well.

 

All bets are off as to what he does with his policies if this is the case


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  #1668410 12-Nov-2016 09:39
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amiga500:

 

If Hillary Clinton had been as honest (non corrupt) as politicians such as Barack Obama, George H Bush, Angela Merkel, Helen Clarke, Norman Kirk, John Key, & pretty much every British & NZ Prime Minister, she would ....

 

 

be suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder. That list alone has a broad range of dishonesty, let alone the generality of "pretty much every British & NZ Prime Minister"... this includes a whole bunch of thieves, ratbags, and stinkers.

 

 


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  #1668415 12-Nov-2016 09:45
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Except for Helen Clarke, who AFAIK always played a fair game, conceding few goals to her opponents during her career.


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  #1668427 12-Nov-2016 10:11
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What I was trying to say that HRC did not have to be perfect in her 'content of character' but she needed to meet the low threshold of not being corrupt.     For example not being like the current President of South Africa!     All the Dems. needed was a personable run of the mill populist politician & Trump would have been stopped.     I think Kerry with an African American VP running mate would have stopped Trump in his tracks.

 

The Dems. also had a very lame slogan.   'Stronger together.'     This reminds me of 'Man for Man the Stronger Team' which National used in 1972.


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  #1668431 12-Nov-2016 10:18
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amiga500:

What I was trying to say that HRC did not have to be perfect in her 'content of character' but she needed to meet the low threshold of not being corrupt.     For example not being like the current President of South Africa!     All the Dems. needed was a personable run of the mill populist politician & Trump would have been stopped.     I think Kerry with an African American VP running mate would have stopped Trump in his tracks.


The Dems. also had a very lame slogan.   'Stronger together.'     This reminds me of 'Man for Man the Stronger Team' which National used in 1972.



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Fred99:

he's certainly quite the showman and seemed to be ad libbing much of the time. Incredibly, he managed to do it without alienating the hard religious right



FWiW the "hard" religious right didn't all like Trump's racist and isolationist standpoint, but absolutely detested Hillaries 40-week-abortion goal, and the fact that she'd get to appoint 3 Supreme Court justice, who will be serving when the epic Roe vs Wade appeal comes up again soon.

Links to the satanist church (whether or not true) were also suggested, which will always get strong opposition from any faith based voter (Muslim and Jew too).

Basically there wasn't a 'good' candidate for anyone this election, so I think most voted against the worse one (in their opinion) rather than FOR one they liked.

Edit (link) http://www.lifenews.com/2016/11/09/largest-evangelical-turnout-in-history-helps-donald-trump-defeat-pro-abortion-hillary-clinton/

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  #1668433 12-Nov-2016 10:24
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Technofreak:

 

I've seen several reports now saying the election result was the result of the "uneducated/blue collar workers" voting for Trump or Brexit, with the inference these people really don't know what they're doing and shouldn't have a vote.  

 

 

 

 

They shouldn't be allowed to vote. Next we should sterilize them so they can't breed.

 

You see what path that's taking you down?


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  #1668440 12-Nov-2016 10:39
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PhantomNVD:
Fred99:

 

he's certainly quite the showman and seemed to be ad libbing much of the time. Incredibly, he managed to do it without alienating the hard religious right

 



FWiW the "hard" religious right didn't all like Trump's racist and isolationist standpoint, but absolutely detested Hillaries 40-week-abortion goal, and the fact that she'd get to appoint 3 Supreme Court justice, who will be serving when the epic Roe vs Wade appeal comes up again soon.

Links to the satanist church (whether or not true) were also suggested, which will always get strong opposition from any faith based voter (Muslim and Jew too).

Basically there wasn't a 'good' candidate for anyone this election, so I think most voted against the worse one (in their opinion) rather than FOR one they liked.

 

 

 

You're incredibly deceived if you believe what you're saying here about HRC's "40-week-abortion goal" - which is nothing more than a blatant lie concocted by Trump.  Would you like me to explain in detail why pregnancy termination at longer term (than might be less traumatic to all) is sometimes a medical necessity, or is it better to let pig-ignorant delusional religious zealots dictate to women and medical experts?

 

It's also remarkable that you'd feel need to qualify the comment on alleged links to the satanist church as "whether or not true", as if there was doubt that it could be anything other than wild, malicious nonsense.

 

 

 

 


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