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Fred99
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  #1669903 13-Nov-2016 09:24
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Geektastic:

 

networkn:

 

 

 

These look like Kiwi's and to be honest it's freaking disgraceful. 

 

Trump hasn't DONE anything yet except make a few offensive comments and promise some stuff. We have NO right to protest at this point, and if it was a Kiwi burning a US flag, well I am honestly lost for words. 

 

I can't think of one thing that gives us the right to burn another countries flag over an election result. 

 

 

 

 

To be honest, I am not sure what right we have to protest at all. He's not our President, we did not elect him etc etc.

 

Unless he does something especially damaging to NZ I can't see what business it is of ours. Protesting by waving placards etc is so facile anyway - a bigger waste of time it is hard to imagine.

 

In any case most New Zealanders should love him - the WSJ carries the headline today that TPP is dead in the water and I know a lot of the head in the sand lot wanted that killed off so now he's effectively helped their cause. Bet that made them choke on their tofu.

 

 

 

 

How ridiculous.  Of course we've got every right to protest anything we like.

 

Trump has made "a few" offensive comments?  Oh dear - did you miss the fact that he just spent a couple of years doing little else but to make offensive comments?  Perhaps if you're white, male, and middle class, they whizzed right past you and you didn't notice.

 

I don't agree that a trigger point for action should be "Unless he does something especially damaging to NZ".  Al Qaeda and ISIS did nothing to NZ.

 

(Hopefully) without invoking Godwins "head in the sand" should perhaps be thought about in terms of how dangerous nationalist political movements could metastasize globally.  That was only stopped in it's tracks when a few leaders (one in particular) pulled a nations head out of the sand, and at great cost, took a stand.  If heads had been pulled out of the sand a decade earlier, there may have been no need.

 

Trump's nationalist movement does have ramifications outside the USA.  Direct threats to "put America's interest first" which sounds terrific as a headline - but not so good when details include reneging on bi and multilateral agreements, and threatening to use economic might to crush countries who'd done well by free trade.  Legitimising and emboldening far-right movements outside the USA, the Le Pens and Pauline Hansons are rejoicing. 


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  #1669913 13-Nov-2016 09:30
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One can say all one likes from the viewpoint of an outsider. Or an elite American. Or where-ever we are based or think.

 

At the end of the day, the American people have spoken. They don't want to be ruled by the elites. They'd rather have anything else but. Shown the middle finger. Gave Trump a chance to stuff the elites around. Another camp are sick of the the social divide and structure. Trump preached to them like a messiah, god send, holier than the other black man. Another camp are sick of the threat of extremists. Trump promises to wipe them out using whatever means. 

 

When you look at all these the result makes sense.


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  #1669924 13-Nov-2016 09:36
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joker97:

 

At the end of the day, the American people have spoken. They don't want to be ruled by the elites.

 

 

 

 

How many times in this thread does that crop up.  It is wrong.

 

If the American people didn't want to be ruled by elites, then they wouldn't have elected a billionaire who flies over them in a gold-plated 757.

 

They elected Trump because he played to their fears.  Xenophobic and ignorant, but that's what happened.

 

 


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  #1669926 13-Nov-2016 09:36
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How can anyone with even the IQ of a grass-eating goat possibly think that a billionaire who doesn't pay taxes is not part of the elite? 

 

 





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  #1669927 13-Nov-2016 09:37
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Fred99:

 

joker97:

 

At the end of the day, the American people have spoken. They don't want to be ruled by the elites.

 

 

 

 

How many times in this thread does that crop up.  It is wrong.

 

If the American people didn't want to be ruled by elites, then they wouldn't have elected a billionaire who flies over them in a gold-plated 757.

 

They elected Trump because he played to their fears.  Xenophobic and ignorant, but that's what happened.

 

 

 

 

I didn't say the Americans got it right. Just that the result makes sense if you analyse the components.


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  #1669928 13-Nov-2016 09:37
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Rikkitic:

 

How can anyone with even the IQ of a grass-eating goat possibly think that a billionaire who doesn't pay taxes is not part of the elite? 

 

 

 

 

Now you are questioning the IQ of an American? Or saying the result shouldn't stand?


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  #1669933 13-Nov-2016 09:51
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What I am saying is that an awful lot of people voted for something other than what they thought they were voting for. An example is Obamacare. Many Trump supporters really hate that, though usually for the wrong reasons. His rhetoric undoubtedly won him their votes. Well guess what, yokels? Trump has now decided to keep Obamacare, at least big chunks of it. How is that butthurt feeling now?

 

 





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  #1669937 13-Nov-2016 10:02
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Removing Obamacare should be the least of their worries right now

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  #1669939 13-Nov-2016 10:04
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joker97:

 

Fred99:

 

joker97:

 

At the end of the day, the American people have spoken. They don't want to be ruled by the elites.

 

 

 

 

How many times in this thread does that crop up.  It is wrong.

 

If the American people didn't want to be ruled by elites, then they wouldn't have elected a billionaire who flies over them in a gold-plated 757.

 

They elected Trump because he played to their fears.  Xenophobic and ignorant, but that's what happened.

 

 

 

 

I didn't say the Americans got it right. Just that the result makes sense if you analyse the components.

 

 

 

 

No it doesn't.  It actually doesn't make sense at all.  What does make sense and what they voted for was a convenient excuse and euphemistic "establishment" that was representing the interests of those you don't like, fear, and resent.

 

Americans love the elites.  FFS - they don't have native royalty, so spend the last 1/2 century creating royalty out of Kennedys and Clintons, Kardashians - and now, unfortunately, Trumps.  

 

The Trump royal family are sitting around the throne, appointed by King Donald I of America to official duties.

 

It's an incredibly surreal spectacle.  But it is real.


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  #1669946 13-Nov-2016 10:29
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It is what it is and life goes on. I think I will buy a new car

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  #1669948 13-Nov-2016 10:32
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Can anyone tell me if Cher has relocated to Jupiter yet?

 

Just asking as it looks like these celebs have backed down from their threats to move.

 

Just makes one wonder how serious their endorsements were of their chosen candidate.


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  #1669951 13-Nov-2016 10:42
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MikeB4: It is what it is and life goes on. I think I will buy a new car

 

 

 

I suggest you wait - you might be able to buy a US made GM or Ford that are going to be made in America, by Americans, for the people of America.

 

Or you could just buy a Volkswagen.

 

:-)


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  #1669952 13-Nov-2016 10:44
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Fred99:

 

<snip>

 

Americans love the elites.  FFS - they don't have native royalty, so spend the last 1/2 century creating royalty out of Kennedys and Clintons, Kardashians - and now, unfortunately, Trumps.  

 

The Trump royal family are sitting around the throne, appointed by King Donald I of America to official duties.

 

It's an incredibly surreal spectacle.  But it is real.

 

 





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  #1669954 13-Nov-2016 10:52
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Fred99:

 

I suggest you wait - you might be able to buy a US made GM or Ford that are going to be made in America, by Americans, for the people of America.

 

Or you could just buy a Volkswagen.

 

:-)

 

 

Would that be a VW made in Mexico?

 

Or, would that be one made in Germany by low paid Syrian migrants?


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  #1669958 13-Nov-2016 11:03
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I wonder if Americans will enjoy their three times more expensive half as reliable poor fuel economy made in USA death traps?

 

 





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