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#2614070 1-Dec-2020 15:31

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Rikkitic:

~~Trump advisor Dr Do-little, like a good rat, has fled the sinking ship.~~

I read the headline as "Scott Atlas resigns as Trump adviser to coronavirus"

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

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#2614179 1-Dec-2020 16:29

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Grifters are gonna grift: "Trump raises more than $150 million appealing to false election claims"

President Trump’s political operation has raised more than $150 million since Election Day, using a blizzard of misleading appeals about the election to shatter fundraising records set during the campaign, according to people with knowledge of the contributions.

The influx of political donations is one reason Trump and some allies are inclined to continue a legal onslaught and public affairs blitz focused on baseless claims of election fraud, even as their attempts have repeatedly failed in court and as key states continue to certify wins for President-elect Joe Biden.

Much of the money raised since the election is likely to go into an account for the president to use on political activities after he leaves office, while some of the contributions will go toward what’s left of the legal fight.

The donations are purportedly being solicited for the Official Election Defense Fund, which is blazed in all red across the Trump campaign’s website, with an ominous picture of the president outside the White House.

There is no such account, however. The fundraising requests are being made by the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, a joint fundraising committee that raises money for the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee. As of Nov. 18, that committee also shares its funds with Save America, a new leadership PAC that Trump set up in early November and which he can use to fund his post-presidency activities.

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National Review, the bastion of American conservatism castigates Trump

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/trump-election-fraud-disgraceful-endgame/

Trump’s Disgraceful Endgame

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Almost nothing that the Trump team has alleged has withstood the slightest scrutiny. In particular, it’s hard to find much that is remotely true in the president’s Twitter feed these days. It is full of already-debunked claims and crackpot conspiracy theories about Dominion voting systems. Over the weekend, he repeated the charge that 1.8 million mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania were mailed out, yet 2.6 million were ultimately tallied. In a rather elementary error, this compares the number of mail-ballots requested in the primary to the number of ballots counted in the general. A straight apples-to-apples comparison finds that 1.8 million mail-in ballots were requested in the primary and 1.5 million returned, while 3.1 million ballots were requested in the general and 2.6 million returned.

Flawed and dishonest assertions like this pollute the public discourse and mislead good people who make the mistake of believing things said by the president of the United States.

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#2614334 1-Dec-2020 19:44

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National Review is interesting. They are owned by William F. Buckley Jr., who is extremely conservative, and a racist, so you'd think he'd like Trump.

But like the Lincoln Project, he hates Trump.

From Medium:

".... Mr. Buckley would have rejected Mr. Trump’s venality and dishonesty, his anti-intellectualism, and his fact-free boasting of phantom accomplishments.

Mr. Buckley was infinitely more intelligent and cultured than Mr. Trump, who is always a buffoon (albeit a deadly one).

But Mr. Buckley was just a cocksure of himself and his own intelligence (with some justification, but still) as Mr. Trump is (with no justification), and Mr. Buckley despised government, especially government controlled by 'do-gooders,' as much as Mr. Trump does....

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#2614401 1-Dec-2020 22:42

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I think it's very important that conservatives who dismiss Trump(ism) and middle of the road progressives collaborate to consistently and factually oppose what's happening with Trump's claims of election fraud.

When maybe 80% of the 70 million who voted for Trump claim to truly believe that the election was "stolen", then it's a really big problem, and I have no doubt that after 20th Jan, Trump and some of his cult will be using the $150 million or more grifted from supporters to continue to push a disinformation agenda about a stolen election. These horrific pieces of sh*t are not going to fade away.

If times get hard - likely IMO as fallout to Covid and possible collapse of what may be overheated equity market "bubbles" - then that's going to have people begging to blame "anyone", Trumpism will have superficial "MAGA" answers, claim to have warned about it, and will gain support, which will include growing belief that the election was "stolen" by "socialists" intent on destroying America.

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#2614543 2-Dec-2020 09:21

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The Washington Post - McConnell refers to ‘new administration’ in remarks on coronavirus relief

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Tuesday that there will be a new administration in January, going further than he previously has in acknowledging Trump’s election loss.

“I think we all know that after the first of the year there’s likely to be a discussion about additional - some additional package of some size next year, depending upon what the new administration wants to pursue,” McConnell told reporters during remarks on coronavirus relief negotiations.

McConnell did not elaborate on his “new administration” comment. He suggested that “the future will take care of itself” and pointed to the next steps leading up to the inauguration. ...

Even as McConnell was speaking, Trump was continuing to make false claims of widespread election fraud. ...

The Washington Post - Barr says he hasn’t seen ‘fraud on a scale’ that could have changed election

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Attorney General William P. Barr told the Associated Press that he has “not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election,” undercutting claims that Trump and his allies have made - without evidence - of widespread and significant voting irregularities.

In an interview, Barr suggested the FBI and Justice Department have looked into some fraud claims, and seemed to take particular aim at one, by attorney Sidney Powell, who alleged a grand conspiracy involving election software changing voting tallies. ...

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#2614586 2-Dec-2020 10:25

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The New York Times - Giuliani is said to have discussed a possible pardon with Trump

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Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer who has led the most extensive efforts to damage his client’s political rivals and undermine the election results, discussed with the president as recently as last week the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office ...

Mr. Giuliani’s potential criminal exposure is unclear. He was under investigation as recently as last summer by federal prosecutors in Manhattan for his business dealings in Ukraine and his role in ousting the American ambassador there, a plot that was at the heart of the impeachment of Mr. Trump. ...

A pardon for Giuliani is certain to prompt accusations that Mr. Trump has used his power to obstruct investigations and insulate himself and his allies. ...

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#2614601 2-Dec-2020 10:32

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The Washington Post - Coronavirus Updates: This isn’t working

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The most obvious lesson from Thanksgiving? Public health messaging from officials and experts is not working.

They told us to stay home and stay distanced, but we gathered. They told us not to travel, but we flew.

Now they are terrified of a pandemic Christmas: If Americans repeat their Thanksgiving actions, the country’s already catastrophic situation could reach levels where hospitals are forced to choose which patients to save and which to let die, and where lockdowns become unavoidable. ...

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and ... The Washington Post - There is no reason to wait. Cancel your holiday travel plans now.

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Sideface:The Washington Post - Barr says he hasn’t seen ‘fraud on a scale’ that could have changed election

Frederick Douglass, a slavery abolitionist

“Power concedes nothing without a demand.

It never did and it never will.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both.

The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

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There are reports that Giuliani is seeking a "blanket" pardon from Trump before he leaves office.

Not unprecedented, a continuation of the stupid pardoning of Nixon before charges for all his crimes could be heard or investigated, pardoning Giuliani will sweep under the carpet whatever he did, probably dirty and treasonous actions that would also tie back to Trump himself. I don't care if they lock him up as much as I care that the public should know what the scumbag has done.

Meanwhile Trump is pretty much a certain goneberder.

Barr has spoken out and confirmed the DOJ has found "no evidence of widespread voter fraud". That's another big nail in the coffin for the "but Trump was cheated" cult.

Fox has an interesting and disingenuous twist with their headline:

Barr: DOJ yet to find widespread voter fraud that could have changed 2020 election

Bad news for Trump is bad news for Fox. Their viewers simply turn the TV off when Fox presents news they don't like.

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The Washington Post - Trump won’t concede because it’s so profitable to keep the con going

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Trump will continue claiming until the day he dies that he is a victim of a vast conspiracy encompassing both Republican and Democratic officials - a plot so fiendishly effective that no evidence of its machinations can be found.

Given that Trump cares nothing about the public weal, why should he ever admit defeat?

Keeping the [“Official Election Defense Fund”] going not only offers a salve for his wounded ego but also possible salvation for his debt-riddled balance sheet. (Forbes reports that he owes at least $1 billion.) ...

Trump’s political operation has raised more than $170 million since Election Day with fraudulent claims of fraud. ...

Trump claims to be an expert on winning. His actual area of expertise is how to profit from losing.

He survived the bankruptcy of six of his businesses, and he will survive the moral bankruptcy of his presidency.

He has now figured out how to monetize assaults on our democracy.

He will keep going at least until 2024, and then either regain the Republican nomination for himself or hand it off to a favored sycophant. ...

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Fred99: ...Fox has an interesting and disingenuous twist with their headline:

"Barr: DOJ yet to find widespread voter fraud that could have changed 2020 election"

DOJ yet to find blood-drinking, flesh-eating, shape-shifting extraterrestrial reptilian humanoids with only one objective in their cold-blooded little heads: manipulating humans from the Moon, using a spacecraft and inter-dimensional portal.

David Icke espouses this exact conspiracy to more recently 5G causing COVID-19

His conspiracy books continue to sell well on Amazon, to mostly 5 star reviews.

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#2614806 2-Dec-2020 15:13

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Bribe for presidential pardon investigation. Whatever could that be?

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... and on the subject of pardons ...

The New York Times - Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani

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President Trump has discussed with advisers whether to grant pre-emptive pardons to his children, to his son-in-law and to his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, and talked with Mr. Giuliani about pardoning him as recently as last week, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Mr. Trump has told others that he is concerned that a Biden Justice Department might seek retribution against the president by targeting the oldest three of his five children - Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump - as well as Ms. Trump’s husband, Jared Kushner, a White House senior adviser.

Donald Trump Jr. had been under investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, for contacts that the younger Mr. Trump had had with Russians offering damaging information on Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign, but he was never charged.

Mr. Kushner provided false information to federal authorities about his contacts with foreigners for his security clearance, but was given one anyway by the president.

The nature of Mr. Trump’s concern about any potential criminal exposure of Eric Trump or Ivanka Trump is unclear, although an investigation by the Manhattan district attorney into the Trump Organization has expanded to include tax write-offs on millions of dollars in consulting fees by the company, some of which appear to have gone to Ms. Trump.

Presidential pardons, however, do not provide protection against state or local crimes. ...

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