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#2632968 10-Jan-2021 00:20

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kingdragonfly:

You would expect criminal investigators to be hush-hush until they've actually laid charges.

As you correctly pointed out, DC is not a state. All felonies committed in DC are federal crimes.

However, the down side is that there's no requirement for charges to have actually been laid for the president to issue a pardon, and there's nothing stopping the president from issuing a blanket pardon to everyone involved in the offence - Jimmy Carter did this in 1977, issuing an unconditional pardon to everyone who dodged the Vietnam War draft.

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#2632970 10-Jan-2021 04:21

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Kyanar: there's no requirement for charges to have actually been laid for the president to issue a pardon, and there's nothing stopping the president from issuing a blanket pardon to everyone involved in the offence - Jimmy Carter did this in 1977, issuing an unconditional pardon to everyone who dodged the Vietnam War draft.

It's possible, but Trump's thinking is always "what's in it for me?," "what's easiest for me?" and "does this prevent legal action against me?"

If a cop hadn't been killed, I think there would be a good chance of a pardon. He can't have missed the American flags flying at half-mast in the capital; always a sales killer for swindlers.

Given the shortness of his remaining days, and the real threat of impeachment or removal by the 25th amendment, it would would be a really stupid move.

But again he's a really stupid man...

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#2632971 10-Jan-2021 04:47

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Speaking on a personal level, I've had several close American relatives run afoul of US law, so I'm familiar with the system.

I guess it shouldn't be surprising since the United States incarcerates its citizens more than any other country. The U.S. has 5% of the world’s population but nearly 25% of its incarcerated population.

On jails and prisons, in 1975, the US spent NZ $44 billion (adjusted for inflation). In 2015, US spent NZ $120 billion. This is a similar amount as all American agriculture GDP.

Anyhow, the protesters committed federal crimes because DC is not a state. All felonies in DC are federal crimes.

The traitors would have almost certainly crossed state lines. Again crossing state lines exponentially increases the chance of it being a federal crime.

There were almost no non-white traitors. DC is 42% white, and most the whites are government workers, or supporting the government indirectly. They are unlikely to be involved in the attempted coup.

The state attorney generals, like Arkansas, are politicians, and can personally envision thugs occupying their offices. Moreover anyone caught would make for lots of local coverage, and questions like "You're an attorney general who ran on a strict law-and-order platform. What are you going to do about it?"

So the state attorney would come up with a very flimsy case, doomed to fail, to get the traitors arrested locally and into the system. The whole purpose is to get the traitors off the street, and buy time till they are turned over to the feds.

After that it's no longer the state attorney general's problem, and they can drop the case having looked good for the locals.

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#2632973 10-Jan-2021 05:13

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Theme music for the state attorney generals going after the traitors.

"Kid Ink - Now It's Personal"

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#2632975 10-Jan-2021 08:18

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300201528/can-america-move-on-from-trump-or-is-this-just-the-beginning

Just reading this re her coverage of the 2004 elections - have Republicans always been so gullible to believe any bs they're sold? I really hope not.

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#2632978 10-Jan-2021 08:34

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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/trump-reacts-to-twitter-ban-456785

I was right! I knew Trump would lose his rag over losing his beloved Twitter account.

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#2632980 10-Jan-2021 08:40

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Another Downfall parody, just posted ...

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#2632981 10-Jan-2021 08:50

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Of course, Scott Adams thinks this is totally not Trump's fault (this is his reasoning):

Banned for subjective opinions
Who was most responsible for capitol violence?
Whiteboard: Blame Chain
Social media and teachers unions under Biden
Subjective power to target people for destruction…
- …Government, banks, social media, fake news

I thought half of these things he calls "hoaxes" weren't hoaxes?

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#2632983 10-Jan-2021 08:53

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Oh well that's ok then. Supporting a political party absolves you of voting for the mango meatsack.

Its not really a lot different to anywhere else, you may not like the leader but you like or love the party. In 2016 he offered a different direction, in 2020 he was outed. Democracy at work, mango meat sack gone. As is often the case there, the vote was close a few points apart. Where the masses still supported the party but enough bailed. Like most countries, the vast majority vote National or Labour or Dems or GOP every election, cos thats what they do, no matter what

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#2632984 10-Jan-2021 08:55

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Also the MAGA crowd are very unhappy that he "threw them under the bus": https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/maga-internet-turns-on-trump-456490

I thought this image fairly accurate as well:

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#2632985 10-Jan-2021 09:09

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quickymart:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300201528/can-america-move-on-from-trump-or-is-this-just-the-beginning

Just reading this re her coverall page of the 2004 elections - have Republicans always been so gullible to believe any bs they're sold? I really hope not.

Their definition of patriotism means they can profess to love America, are honest, religious, so they must be wonderful. Hide behind that so that they protect their white ownership of the US. Its our country, passively racist and mysogynistic. But we love America and the Bible, so it must be right. Trump fed that. Can they move on? They won't hire a Trump in the future but they will find an equally racist and mysogynistic replacement who generally acts normal, like Pence. If Pence became POTUS you wont obviously see the Trump persona, but everything else will be the same.

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quickymart:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300201528/can-america-move-on-from-trump-or-is-this-just-the-beginning

Just reading this re her coverage of the 2004 elections - have Republicans always been so gullible to believe any bs they're sold? I really hope not.

It goes back way before 2004. Reagan secretly sold missiles to Iran to fund anti-socialist terrorists. There were no hard consequences. Barr encouraged Reagan to pardon war crimes. The Overton window kept shifting right, Clinton gained power campaigning on "law and order" and "the economy", W started wars based on what he must have known were lies, there were no consequences. Obama inherited the mess of forever war and a global financial crisis, Biden's inheriting a probably worse financial crisis and pandemic, the Republicans have shown that to hold support you just need to violently oppose everything, no viable plan for anything worthwhile, build a wall, deny climate change, blame blame blame someone else.

Hypocrisy doesn't matter, memories are short, dog-whistles beat reasoned debate. A democratic system where only two parties can prevail resulted in tribalism, when one of those parties had an undemocratic advantage (the senate), they gamed it, POTUS, Senate, SCOTUS not representing "the people", unrestrained executive power is a foundation of fascism.

Unless there are consequences for the unconstitutional treasonous actions of Trumpists, they'll be back in another form - and next time it'll be worse.

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#2632991 10-Jan-2021 09:52

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Another Post bombshell - not to be confused with Trump's ‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’ call to Brad Raffensperger, reported earlier ...

The Washington Post - ‘Find the fraud’: Trump pressured a Georgia elections investigator in a separate call legal experts say could amount to obstruction

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President Trump urged Georgia’s lead elections investigator to “find the fraud” in a lengthy December phone call, saying the official would be a “national hero,” according to an individual familiar with the call who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the conversation.

Trump placed the call to the investigations chief for the Georgia secretary of state’s office shortly before Christmas - while the individual was leading an inquiry into allegations of ballot fraud in Cobb County, in the suburbs of Atlanta, according to people familiar with the episode.

The president’s attempts to intervene in an ongoing investigation could amount to obstruction of justice or other criminal violations, legal experts said, though they cautioned a case could be difficult to prove.

Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger had launched the inquiry following allegations that Cobb election officials had improperly accepted mail ballots with signatures that did not match those on file - claims that state officials ultimately concluded had no merit.

In an interview with The Washington Post on Friday, Raffensperger confirmed that Trump had placed the Dec. 23 call.

He said he was not familiar with the specifics of what the president said in the conversation with his chief investigator, but said it was inappropriate for Trump to have tried to intervene in the case. ...

Since Election Day, Trump has made at least three calls to government officials in Georgia in an attempt to subvert President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, beginning with a conversation with Gov. Brian Kemp (R) in early December to berate him for certifying the state’s election results.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/trump-reacts-to-twitter-ban-456785

I was right! I knew Trump would lose his rag over losing his beloved Twitter account.

Literal manchild. This is what you get for causing an insurrection and an attempted coup.

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