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  #2632998 10-Jan-2021 10:28
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A very long Twitter thread by Set Abramson. It starts below but you can read on a single page here.

 

It's insightful and looks clearly at the propaganda speech Trump gave just before the march to the Capitol.

 

In short: a coup, and he wanted the military to join (failed but succeeded in making sure there was almost no resistance to terrorists) and wanted either VP Pence to say he won or to get VP Pence and others out of this planet altogether. 

 

 





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The Washington Post - Pre-Nazi Germany tells us the fight to save American democracy is just beginning

 

Jan. 10, 2021

 

By Michael Brenner

 

Michael Brenner is professor of History at American University in Washington, DC, and at Ludwig Maximilian University in Munich, Germany.
His forthcoming book, "In Hitler’s Munich: Jews, Antisemites, and the Rise of Nazism" will be published by Princeton University Press. 

 

 

A mob of several thousand outraged people rampaged through the streets of the city after a long rambling speech by their leader inciting them to do so. Some used violence. Windows were broken, shots were heard, there was bloodshed. The leader of the pack demanded the political swamp be drained. After a tumultuous few hours, order was restored and elected officials emerged from their hiding places.

 

No, this is not Washington, D.C., Jan. 6, 2021. This was Munich, Nov. 8, 1923. The instigators did not come to Munich to support a president who was voted out of office. They did not gather in front of the nation’s seat of power, but rather started their rally in a beer cellar where a young Adolf Hitler seized control after silencing the politicians and the crowd assembled there with a pistol shot to the ceiling. Obviously, the circumstances surrounding the storming of the U.S. Capitol are very different from those of the Munich Beer Hall Putsch. But Germany during the 1920s offers crucial lessons for us today about how democracies become imperiled.

 

Germany’s democracy was young, but the majority of the population stood behind it in the early 1920s. Yet, humiliated by defeat in World War I and plagued by an unprecedented economic crisis, a growing minority resorted to lies and conspiracy theories, such as the stab-in-the-back myth, which blamed scapegoats like Jews and socialists rather than the military for losing the war.

 

It was these lies that resonated with Hitler and his followers. They hoped to establish authoritarian rule first in Munich and then in Berlin to restore Germany‘s military strength. But first came the fight against the enemies within. During the night of unrest, the resurrectionists took numerous Social Democrats as hostages, destroyed the offices of the Social Democratic newspaper and broke into many houses of Munich’s Jews. This night represented the first confrontation with the life-threatening horror of Nazi terror - to the day 15 years before the November pogrom known as Kristallnacht.

 

In the end, the Beer Hall Coup failed. The governor of Bavaria and his closest aides, threatened by the guns of the insurrectionists, initially gave assurances that they’d be hands off. But when morning broke they retracted those statements and after some hesitation got to work suppressing the putsch. Even as 2,000 Hitler supporters began to march to one of the city’s main squares, authorities forcibly stopped them in the center of the city. Fifteen of Hitler’s supporters, one civilian bystander and four policemen lost their lives.

 

Hitler himself was injured and fled to outside of Munich, where he was arrested two days later. He and some of his associates were put on trial and sentenced to five years of confinement for treason. But Hitler’s claims that he was a strongman who would clean up the political mess and march to Berlin to make Germany great again won him many sympathies among the deprived masses, conservative politicians, business elites and even within the judicial system. He received a mild sentence, was freed after a few months and relaunched his political career. Ten years later he was Germany’s strongman.

 

What at first blush looked like a failed coup proved successful in the long run because of a justice system that was blind in its right eye and conservative political leaders who fueled the myths that Hitler had tapped into, planted the seeds of political polarization and discredited the legitimacy of elected officials. These leaders were also convinced that they could use Hitler and his mass movement as a vehicle to stay in power, even though they despised him and looked down on him as an upstart. His vice-chancellor, Franz von Papen of the Catholic Center Party, famously claimed he and his moderate cabinet members would keep Hitler and his Nazi troops in check. Von Papen lost this game and so did all the other enablers who made Hitler’s rise possible. But they didn’t decisively move to squelch his movement during the 1920s when they had the opportunity. ...

 

This history highlights how the real risk to American democracy came hours after order had been restored in the U.S. Capitol when seven U.S. senators and 138 members of the House of Representatives voted to sustain an objection to Pennsylvania’s electoral votes, giving credence to the lies that nourished the mob’s anger. Further to date, Vice President Pence and members of the cabinet have stood by without invoking the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from power. By doing so, they enable the president - who initially doubled down on lies about the election in subsequent videos and tweets - to cause additional harm to the nation, including his ability to pardon more of his supporters and spread more lies. Even many of those Republican elected officials who during the last days of this presidency have distanced themselves or expressed disgust with the president’s deeds, only a few weeks ago fought to keep him in office for another four years.

 

The historical example of Germany is often, perhaps too often, invoked. But rarely has it been so close to our reality as it is today. Germany was at a political crossroads in the 1920s. It could have remained a vibrant democracy, but for many reasons it became a dictatorship. The United States, with its long democratic tradition stands on much firmer ground, but since Jan. 6, we can no longer ignore the abyss that has opened up before us. As in Germany, here too, responsibility for the situation lies with those who either passively stood by or those who actively enabled the rise of a political monster. ...

 

The lessons of history are clear: Those who precipitated and carried out the attempted insurrection - including President Trump - must face swift and severe consequences for their actions. Further, those willing to ally with Trump, thinking they could contain him, need to see the errors of their way. Enabling the spread of lies and conspiracy theories, as well as the rise of unfit individuals, poses an existential risk to a democracy. On Wednesday, Americans avoided the worst potential consequences. As the German example warns us, however, knocking down an insurrection does not yet mean winning the fight for democracy. This fight will go on until our politicians learn the crucial lessons from the past.

 





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  #2633020 10-Jan-2021 11:08
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A very long Twitter thread by Set Abramson. It starts below but you can read on a single page here.

 

It's insightful and looks clearly at the propaganda speech Trump gave just before the march to the Capitol.

 

In short: a coup, and he wanted the military to join (failed but succeeded in making sure there was almost no resistance to terrorists) and wanted either VP Pence to say he won or to get VP Pence and others out of this planet altogether.  

 

 

Just finished reading this again. Trump is a nazi. He reached nazi-levels of propaganda. His enablers, people who worked with him and did nothing to stop him are nazis.

 

America will not be healed unless these people are thrown in jail.





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  #2633022 10-Jan-2021 11:17
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The Washington Post - Pre-Nazi Germany tells us the fight to save American democracy is just beginning

 

Jan. 10, 2021

 

By Michael Brenner

 

Michael Brenner is professor of History at American University in Washington, DC, and at Ludwig Maximilian University in Munich, Germany.
His forthcoming book, "In Hitler’s Munich: Jews, Antisemites, and the Rise of Nazism" will be published by Princeton University Press. 

 

 

The parallels with nazism were there since the beginning. Go back on this thread and I've allowed calling Trump a nazi since the start.





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  #2633024 10-Jan-2021 11:25
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Article about Trump's loss of Twitter privilege, with this pearl:

 

 

“I don’t want the lasting impression of this administration to be what happened at the Capitol,” the official said. “We have a lot of accomplishments of this administration that should be highlighted so that we can leave a good final impression.”

 

 

That's exactly what will be, you nazi.





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  #2633029 10-Jan-2021 11:44
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A problem is that many ordinary Americans, especially younger ones, are woefully ignorant. They don't have knowledge of history or the ability to understand historical context. Their educational system is insular crap and only a small elite of motivated and talented students actually go on to learn anything. People believe Trump's nazi lies because they don't know better. They plunge into the mistakes of the past because they don't know about them. Most young people today don't even know what the holocaust was. This is why the American nazis may eventually succeed. People there literally don't know better.

 

 





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  #2633069 10-Jan-2021 13:10
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The Washington Post - Pre-Nazi Germany tells us the fight to save American democracy is just beginning

 

Jan. 10, 2021

 

By Michael Brenner

 

Michael Brenner is professor of History at American University in Washington, DC, and at Ludwig Maximilian University in Munich, Germany.
His forthcoming book, "In Hitler’s Munich: Jews, Antisemites, and the Rise of Nazism" will be published by Princeton University Press. 

"The lessons of history are clear: Those who precipitated and carried out the attempted insurrection - including President Trump - must face swift and severe consequences for their actions. Further, those willing to ally with Trump, thinking they could contain him, need to see the errors of their way. Enabling the spread of lies and conspiracy theories, as well as the rise of unfit individuals, poses an existential risk to a democracy. On Wednesday, Americans avoided the worst potential consequences. As the German example warns us, however, knocking down an insurrection does not yet mean winning the fight for democracy. This fight will go on until our politicians learn the crucial lessons from the past."

 

 

To repeat what I said several posts back, if Trump and his supporters aren't severely punished and silenced, the derangement will go on and on, and possibly worsen.

 

I agree that such actions could see America remaining a polarized war zone for some time, but as long as Biden can keep the ship of democracy on a reasonably straight course while the country sanitizes itself, he'll have more than achieved his purpose.





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  #2633074 10-Jan-2021 13:26
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A very long Twitter thread by Set Abramson. It starts below but you can read on a single page here.

 

It's insightful and looks clearly at the propaganda speech Trump gave just before the march to the Capitol.

 

In short: a coup, and he wanted the military to join (failed but succeeded in making sure there was almost no resistance to terrorists) and wanted either VP Pence to say he won or to get VP Pence and others out of this planet together.

 

WOW - Sieg Heil Mein Fuhrer. Straight out of the Nuremberg Rally play book.

 

Is he an evil genius or a reincarnation of past despots ?





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  #2633091 10-Jan-2021 14:28
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Rikkitic:

 

A problem is that many ordinary Americans, especially younger ones, are woefully ignorant. They don't have knowledge of history or the ability to understand historical context. Their educational system is insular crap and only a small elite of motivated and talented students actually go on to learn anything. People believe Trump's nazi lies because they don't know better. They plunge into the mistakes of the past because they don't know about them. Most young people today don't even know what the holocaust was. This is why the American nazis may eventually succeed. People there literally don't know better.

 

https://liberalarts.vt.edu/magazine/2017/history-repeating.html

 

Variations on the repeating-history theme appear alongside debates about attribution. Irish statesman Edmund Burke is often misquoted as having said, “Those who don’t know history are destined to repeat it.” Spanish philosopher George Santayana is credited with the aphorism, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,” while British statesman Winston Churchill wrote, “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

 

You look at ALL the despots of the planets history and they have ALL played to the ignorance of the people. Every single gripe is emphasised, in bold and expanded upon with lies and half truths and then coloured and embolden.

 

To the non-ignorant, those of education, wealth and means, they, the despots, have played to their patriotic back pocket wallet. In this case the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.

 

To all the levels of American society he plays to their patriotism. Which from a despots point of view is Nationalism. To help achieve this he intervenes, interferes with and inserts into all the levels of government, state and federal, his Yes People, his toadies.

 

Now this includes the three levels of federal government: Legislative, Executive and Judicial.
He already has the Executive branch which he has wield with self serving ruthlessness.
He then went ahead with inserting, whom he thought would be toadies, his judges into the judicial branch. Well that back fired gloriously on him.
Finally the Legislative Branch where, yes he did have success. The Republican or should that be HIS GOP controlled the Senate and, until the end, served him well.

 

But even then, like in the final days of Rome (ancient and modern) and Berlin, his Rats are fleeing the ship. The funny thing is, you could equate this to the Confederate ship CSS Alabama which was sunk towards the end of the American Civil War and had the motto; "God helps those who help themselves". Oh the irony.

 

So how has he done all of this, by using the Despots Play Book.

 

And as usual racism is the main theme, jobs lost to overseas, China [in racist terms], jobs lost to illegal immigrants, [in racist terms] But then he says he is not racist because he has done more for the African Americans than even Abraham Lincoln. (despots play book 101 = twist the facts)

 

Abrechnung mit den Juden ('the settling of accounts with the Jews') = "No one can compete with American workers when they’re given a fair and level playing field, which has not happened for decades. President Donald J. Trump". PROTECTING AMERICAN WORKERS: President Donald J. Trump and his Administration are protecting American workers by reforming requirements governing the H-1B visa program.

 

 

Absiedlung ('resettlement') = illegal immigrants internment camps by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)

 

Again i ask "Is he an evil genius or a reincarnation of past despots ?"

 

 





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  #2633095 10-Jan-2021 14:51
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FineWine:

 

Is he an evil genius or a reincarnation of past despots ?

 

 

Neither. He's a B-list reality TV personality with mental issues and money. That's it - no more no less.


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The reports coming out about how occupying the capitol was the plan all along for many is disturbing. Even more so in light of the officers death when many were apparently talking about killing cops beforehand etc.

 

I’d previously wanted to give many of the them the benefit of the doubt that they are just ignorant and brainwashed, but it’s hard to hold onto that opinion when news like this comes out.


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Is this fair and reasonable?

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/taiwan-us-restrictions-lifted-intl-hnk/index.html

 

In transition I would have expected that measures against a key player and rival would be put aside, or any major move on anything, or might it be, create trouble that the incoming POTUS is left with?


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SJB: ... He's a B-list reality TV personality with mental issues and money. That's it - no more no less.

 



 

The mental issues are real, but nobody knows whether the money is Fake News.

 


 

 





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tdgeek:

 

Is this fair and reasonable?

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/taiwan-us-restrictions-lifted-intl-hnk/index.html

 

In transition I would have expected that measures against a key player and rival would be put aside, or any major move on anything, or might it be, create trouble that the incoming POTUS is left with?

 

 

Trump stirring the pot to try some sleight of hand?

 

 





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