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  #2633107 10-Jan-2021 15:29
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tdgeek:

 

Is this fair and reasonable?

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/taiwan-us-restrictions-lifted-intl-hnk/index.html

 

In transition I would have expected that measures against a key player and rival would be put aside, or any major move on anything, or might it be, create trouble that the incoming POTUS is left with?

 

 

No. It's just to make it more difficult for Biden. Childish behavior at best.


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  #2633108 10-Jan-2021 15:31
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SJB:

 

FineWine:

 

Is he an evil genius or a reincarnation of past despots ?

 

Neither. He's a B-list reality TV personality with mental issues and money. That's it - no more no less.

 

I suggest you read the above article posted by freitasm: "A very long Twitter thread by Set Abramson. It starts below but you can read on a single page here."

 

Is that the script by a "B-list reality TV personality". NO that is consciously and unconsciously well thought out script. Yes I know when he goes off script he rambles and he would of had help with doctoring figures etc but basically that is all him. Don't let the kindergarten speak fool you, it did me for four years. All despots have mental issues, grievances and issues with the world at large, that is why they want to change it all in their image.

 

I have only read the synopsis of his niece Mary Trump book on him "Too Much - Never Enough". It is very telling.

 

 





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  #2633110 10-Jan-2021 15:41
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tdgeek:

 

Is this fair and reasonable?

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/taiwan-us-restrictions-lifted-intl-hnk/index.html

 

In transition I would have expected that measures against a key player and rival would be put aside, or any major move on anything, or might it be, create trouble that the incoming POTUS is left with?

 

Again this is Trump causing chaos on the way out the door. The operative phrase here is: "and is expected to anger Beijing." A mess that Joe Biden's administration will have to clean. (Another Mess)





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  #2633113 10-Jan-2021 15:53
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IMO his mental issues have led him inexorably to this point.

 

A few years ago he was probably sitting around wondering what to occupy his time with apart from golf (he was too old now for any more philandering) and watched a political rally. If anything would tickle an ego it's one of those so a while later there he is running for President with adoring crowds bowing at his feet, the more outrageous the statements from him the more they seem to adore him

 

And surprise, surprise he won. Now he's on the ultimate ego trip.

 

But halfway thru the trip things go wrong. There is a pandemic. And he doesn't have the tools in his armoury to correct the situation (he is incapable of empathy) so he tries more and more drastic measures to correct the situation all to no avail until he hits the buffers.

 

It's not accurate to label him as a nazi because he doesn't believe in anything at all except his own importance. He is just as likely to accidentally, without realising, use methods from the Stazi or Mao or Stalin handbooks if they popped into his head. 

 

As I posted earlier, he's just a B-lister who ended up in the wrong job. And once the job ends in a few days time that's what he will go back to being.

 

 

 

 


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  #2633122 10-Jan-2021 16:25
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I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I think Trump is being given too much credit. I do not think he is a Machiavellian genius. The evidence of his essential dumbness is just too overwhelming. No-one is that good an actor.

 

I think he is a fool with a certain amount of native cunning who got lucky. He is an authoritarian because subtlety is beyond him. He is an archetypical tinpot dictator drawn to shiny gold things and big monuments. He is not clever. He does not think ahead. If he actually had any of the ability now being given to him, his coup would have succeeded.

 

At the same time, it is a mistake to underestimate him. Who said Trump is like being tied to a chair watching an infant play with a loaded gun? The gun can still go off, and it can do a lot of damage. Trump can succeed in spite of himself. Not because he is good at scheming or anything else, but because sometimes the Universe has a perverse sense of humour. He does not deserve any credit, even for evil intentions, but the risk he poses should not be minimised. It is very real. 

 

 





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  #2633125 10-Jan-2021 16:36
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People only focusing on Trump is missing the whole picture. There are people around Trump that matches well with the message and actions that he is taking. Stephen Miller comes to mind as one good example...





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  #2633126 10-Jan-2021 16:38
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SJB:....

 

A few years ago he was probably sitting around wondering what to occupy his time with apart from golf (he was too old now for any more philandering) and watched a political rally. If anything would tickle an ego it's one of those so a while later there he is running for President with adoring crowds bowing at his feet, the more outrageous the statements from him the more they seem to adore him......

 

He has stated quite a few times in his life that he would not mind running for President and his first attempt was in 2000 (Political career of Donald Trump) so this is not a bored spur of the moment thing.

 

EDIT: year date





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  #2633134 10-Jan-2021 17:15
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252hrs 45min to go.

 

Deduct another 80 hours if Thing actually sleeps.





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  #2633142 10-Jan-2021 17:29
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Here is a good count down: Time left until Trump leaves office

 

Be nice to have it embedded just below the topic title and have it appear on each page as you page through.





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  #2633146 10-Jan-2021 18:00
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The New York Times - Opinion - Trump’s Capitol Offense  (extract)

 

today

 


... Trump draped his autocratic behavior in the American flag.

 

Surrounded by Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, F.D.R., M.L.K. and monuments to our war dead, this coward whipped up a horde of conspiracists, white supremacists, neo-Nazis and gullible acolytes to try to steal an election for him. 

 

He said he would march to the Capitol with them, but he didn’t, of course. 

 

He watched his insurrection on TV ...

 

Donald Trump is ruined, along with his repellent family.

 

Even Twitter had finally had enough, suspending its leading arsonist after allowing him to fan the flames for years. 

 

The House might well impeach him, and he deserves it, though the Senate might not have the time or inclination to toss him out. ...

 





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  #2633191 10-Jan-2021 18:08
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What's wrong with our Privacy Commissioner?

 

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/arbitrary-cynical-unprincipled-nz-privacy-commissioner-questions-trump-twitter-ban/ar-BB1cCflL

 

 

 

He seems to think private companies shouldn't have the power on deciding who can use their services, and it should be left to law makers.

 

Trump wanted the election decided by lawmakers also, looks like Privacy Commissioner doesn't understand the situation.


  #2633192 10-Jan-2021 18:08
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I must say I love all the artwork that people have been doing, some amazing creative and laugh inducing ones.





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  #2633193 10-Jan-2021 18:13
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Nothing to stop him running in 2024, but I don't know if all of the Republican party would actually want him back, although I know he commands a fairly significant proportion of their base.

 

I also feel sorry for Michael Pence. While I totally disagree with his politics, I think it's completely unfair that - despite backing Trump basically 100% for the last 4 years, the second he doesn't bend to Trump's (unrealistic) demands (overturn the election results in favour of me), Trump just throws him under the bus, along with the rest of the losers involved in the riot.

 

While that Josh clown hasn't got a hope of being President anytime soon (every time anyone mentions his name, the riot is going to come up - ditto for the Canadian Ted Cruz), how will all this bode for Pence? How will he be remembered once the dust has settled from all this carry-on?


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  #2633197 10-Jan-2021 18:34
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quickymart:

 

While that Josh clown hasn't got a hope of being President anytime soon (every time anyone mentions his name, the riot is going to come up - ditto for the Canadian Ted Cruz), how will all this bode for Pence? How will he be remembered once the dust has settled from all this carry-on?

 

 

He will be remembered as a spineless sycophant who finally did the right thing much too late. Should he be congratulated for belatedly recognising where his self-interest lay? 

 

 





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  #2633213 10-Jan-2021 18:39
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Who? Josh, Ted or Mike?

 

Or all of them?


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