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  #2633388 11-Jan-2021 08:58
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neb:

 

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This history highlights how the real risk to American democracy came hours after order had been restored in the U.S. Capitol [..]

 

 

It's actually a lot less clear than that. Germany in the 1920s had no experience with democracy, only centuries of being drilled with obedience to authority. There had been several minor civil wars in different states a few years earlier, which led to left-wing governments being suppressed by right-wing reactionary forces, mostly Freikorps, implicitly encouraged and supported by the Entente Powers who didn't want Bolshevist governments in the German states.

 

Hitler's home state had been the Bavarian Soviet Republic only a few years beforehand. The left and right held regular pitched street battles, not so much over politics but more in the sense of football hooligans in the UK, something to fight about. Some of these battles, e.g. the Altona Bloody Sunday, were used as pretexts for things like the coup whereby the government of the largest German state, Prussia, was swept aside.

 

The lack of the authoritarian leadership that they were used to combined with the weakness of this newfangled democracy thing was what helped bring Hitler to power. The US today is a very different environment to 1920s/early-1930s Germany.

 

 

Remember the Beer Hall putsch failed and Hitler got a slap in the wrist sentence (judiciary was full of people who felt like him). He spent a few months in jail, where he wrote his book. Fifteen years later he was "Fuhrer".

 

America could very well have a Don Jr in power in fifteen years. Not the Orange man himself but someone who carries his "flag".





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  #2633393 11-Jan-2021 09:07
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freitasm:

 

I think "mixed feelings" is something we all should be past now. He did incite crowds, he did try to corrupt an entire country through fake allegations and straight out lies.

 

You folks are on the "Ah, he is out of the door, let him go on to retire in Florida" mindset. 

 

He is a criminal. 

 

 

Don't misunderstand me. I don't for a moment think he should be allowed a quiet retirement in Florida. I hope they find a way to strip him of everything he has and send him to jail. My mixed feelings are solely in reference to suggestions that he is some kind of evil genius. I think he is, as you have so aptly described him, a doofus. I don't think he is particularly clever. He does have some ability to manipulated the weak-minded, but I do not believe he is capable of operating some kind of long-term strategic master plan. I think he is, as he has been described by his own people, a moron. He got lucky and that is the only reason he was able to BS himself as far as he got. If he really did possess any intelligence, he would have done a better job of staging his coup. 

 

He is indeed a criminal, but he is not a criminal mastermind. He is a grade B petty thief and grifter and yes, he is also a nazi, just not a very capable one.

 

 





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  #2633395 11-Jan-2021 09:08
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freitasm:

 

quickymart:

 

Wha? He would pardon those dropkicks? On what grounds?
Like I said the other day, mate, Trump couldn't care less about you now. He got what he wanted from you, you've been thrown under the bus. Enjoy your jail time. Thanks for stopping by and letting him totally brainwash you.

 

 

The image is a joke. People on Parler trolling the conservaturds there, asking for name, id, contact details for a "Pardon" - knowing too well that some of those are so stupid they might really send it and incriminate themselves.

 

 

Oh oops, didn't know that, I don't go on sites like that.

 

I wonder how many people will actually respond then.


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  #2633397 11-Jan-2021 09:13
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freitasm:

 

America could very well have a Don Jr in power in fifteen years. Not the Orange man himself but someone who carries his "flag".

 

 

This is indeed the real danger. America needs to be on guard for this.

 

 





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  #2633398 11-Jan-2021 09:18
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The Senate must immediately begin a trial when it receives impeachment articles, but it cannot begin one without them.

 

 

I think delaying this would be a mistake. They need to nail the bastard while it is still fresh in people's minds.

 

 





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  #2633399 11-Jan-2021 09:20
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I didn't know you could impeach a president after he left office.

Trump is screwed.

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  #2633403 11-Jan-2021 09:39
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All going well, he probably may not want to run in 2024 anyway.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-2024-campaign-456692

 

 


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  #2633409 11-Jan-2021 09:59
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The New York Times - Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler, an App That Drew Trump Supporters

 

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Parler, a social network that pitches itself as a “free speech” alternative to Twitter and Facebook, is suffering from whiplash.

 

Over the past several months, Parler has become one of the fastest-growing apps in the United States. 

 

Millions of President Trump’s supporters have flocked to it as Facebook and Twitter increasingly cracked down on posts that spread misinformation and incited violence ...

 

But, by Saturday night, Parler was suddenly fighting for its life.

 

First, Apple and Google removed the app from their app stores because they said it had not sufficiently policed its users’ posts, allowing too many that encouraged violence and crime. 

 

Then, late Saturday, Amazon told Parler it would boot the company from its web-hosting service on Sunday night because of repeated violations of Amazon’s rules.

 

Amazon’s move meant that Parler’s entire platform would soon go offline unless it was able to find a new hosting service on Sunday. ...

 

 

 

 

 

Trump's final tweets - removed as soon as they were posted.





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  #2633427 11-Jan-2021 10:08
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kingdragonfly:

Trump is screwed.

 

 

 

Pfff, the Senate wouldn't convict, even if it was the new narrowly-Democrat-controlled Senate. Too many Republicans still either carrying water for Trump or at least scared of losing their jobs if they tick off his base.





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  #2633431 11-Jan-2021 10:24
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Interesting article about the mayhem in US foreign policy created by 4 years of an incompetent administration.

 

Viewpoint: What the Capitol riot means for US foreign policy - BBC News

 

Reminds me of when Mike Pompeo tried to implement sanctions contained in the Iran agreement. Only to then realize the US had no say in the matter because they had formally withdrawn from the agreement.

 

 


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  #2633434 11-Jan-2021 10:28
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https://indianexpress.com/article/world/trump-mob-stormed-capitol-7140385/

 

I don't mean to ask a dumb question, but (since I can't see Trump's Twitter feed anymore) did he actually say "go storm the Capitol" or was it just a bunch of thugs who put 2 and 2 together and decided to take matters into their own hands?
If he is taken to court, I guess it will be asked of him - did he incite this happen, or merely make a suggestion? A lot of the commentary I've seen says he implied it, some say it was an instruction, whereas others (whom I don't believe) say he had nothing to do with it at all...when he obviously had a hand in it, at least.


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  #2633435 11-Jan-2021 10:32
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FAUCI SAYS FULL IMMUNITY FROM TRUMP CONTAGION REQUIRES TWO DOSES OF IMPEACHMENT

 

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Full immunity from Donald J. Trump will require two doses of impeachment, Dr. Anthony Fauci has advised.

 

“One impeachment was a good start, but it didn’t get the job done,” the esteemed virologist said. “If you want to keep this terrible situation from coming back, you’re gonna need that second dose.”

 

Acknowledging that two doses of impeachment, taken a year apart, have never been tested before, Fauci said, “We’re in an emergency situation here.”

 

The epidemiologist said that people are working on the second dose of impeachment “around the clock,” and that it could be ready as soon as Monday.

 

“It’s truly remarkable how fast they’ve been able to come up with it,” he said. “We’re talking warp speed.”





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  #2633438 11-Jan-2021 10:39
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Above The Law - Legal Ethics -  Call Upon Departmental New York Disciplinary Committee To Disbar Rudy Giuliani  (extract)

 

Jan 8, 2021

 


Even before urging that a mob engage in “combat” during a coup attempt, Rudy Giuliani was an embarrassment to the legal profession and was clearly incompetent as an attorney. 

 

In fact, there’s a good case to be made that Giuliani, after an exemplary early career, eventually became the most incompetent attorney in the history of the legal profession. 

 

He repeatedly butt-dialed important people. He left rambling voicemails after accidentally calling the wrong person. 

 

He let his hair dye, which frankly wasn’t going to be fooling anyone even had it stayed on his head, run down his face at a public event. 

 

He booked a news conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping instead of at the Four Seasons hotel. 

 

He doesn’t know what strict scrutiny is. 

 

After first refusing a COVID-19 test, he let Borat trick him into “tucking in his shirt” in front of a woman so far out of his league astronauts could probably hear those warning bells going off from the vacuum of space. 

 

He didn’t go into federal court for nearly three decades, and then somehow thought he should be the go-to election litigator for the president of the United States. 

 

And he repeatedly pushed debunked conspiracy theories to undermine democracy and to turn America into a dictatorship!

 

Before the mob of angry and armed pro-Trump domestic terrorists descended on the U.S. Capitol, Giuliani stood before them and urged them to engage in “trial by combat” to change the legal election results. 

 

I’m looking at Giuliani’s Attorney Detail Report on the New York State Unified Court System website right now, and at the moment, he has no record of public discipline. 

 

We should change that. ...

 

 

 

 





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  #2633445 11-Jan-2021 10:54
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Historian telling about the "Stop the Steal" (original tweet thread below, all in one page here):

 





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  #2633468 11-Jan-2021 11:05
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quickymart: did Trump actually say "go storm the Capitol" or was it just a bunch of thugs who put 2 and 2 together and decided to take matters into their own hands?

Neither. Trump didn't use the word "storm" and the traitors didn't put 2 and 2 together. Trump long-winded and many times disjointed 72 minute speech spelled it out

...Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy.

After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you.

We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here.

We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women.

We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness.

You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.

We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country.

Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period.

...Today, we see a very important event though, because right over there, right there, we see the event going to take place.

And I’m going to be watching, because history is going to be made.

...We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we’ve been forced to believe over the past several weeks.

We’ve amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election.

...Somebody says, “Well, we have to obey the constitution.”

And you are, because you’re protecting our country and you’re protecting the constitution, so you are.

...You will have a president who lost all of these states, or you will have a president to put it another way, who was voted on by a bunch of stupid people who lost all of these things.

You will have an illegitimate president, that’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen.

...And they don’t realize that that’s going to be the end of the Republican party as we know it, but it’s never going to be the end of us, never.

Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength.

...we got to get rid of the weak congresspeople, the ones that aren’t any good, the Liz Cheneys of the world, we got to get rid of them. We got to get rid of them.

...With your help over the last four years, we built the greatest political movement in the history of our country and nobody even challenges that.

...We must stop the steal and then we must ensure that such outrageous election fraud never happens again, can never be allowed to happen again, but we’re going forward.

...Looking out at all the amazing patriots here today, I have never been more confident in our nation’s future.

...Together we are determined to defend and preserve government of the people, by the people and for the people.

...Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.”

And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

...So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America."

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