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Fred99
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  #1672762 17-Nov-2016 13:15
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

And its not Trump's foreign policy. It's the Republican foreign policy.

 

 

 

 

That is wildly incorrect.  


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  #1672763 17-Nov-2016 13:19
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He is much more interested in changing things internally.  

 

 

Yes - regardless of human cost to people he doesn't like, internally - or human and financial cost, globally.

 

Because that's what fascists do.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1672769 17-Nov-2016 13:24
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Fred99:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

And its not Trump's foreign policy. It's the Republican foreign policy.

 

 

 

 

That is wildly incorrect.  

 

 

Explain. Trump has no experience in politics let alone foreign policy. He does when it comes to exciting the masses


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  #1672773 17-Nov-2016 13:27
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freitasm:

 

tdgeek:

 

freitasm:

 

tdgeek:

 

He has ceased his present path, if you refer to pre election result. Yes, there are the matters of his kids, but he's been tame. very much diluted his attitude, and his promises.

 

 

Read again what I posted earlier. Hitler too "ceased" his rethoric when he got into the Reichstag. Once President Hinderburg gave him the Chancellor office, everything changed.

 

 

My opinion is Trump is not a ruler of the leading party, he is a leader of the ruling party. I hear your points, but Trump is just one loud brash man, amongst the ruling party, the Republicans. My opinions are based on the daily dilution of everything about him and his policies, pre election. No one knows, time will tell, but we have heard the worst from him. From time to time he will lash out for publicity purposes, but for me, he is being ruled. He is not the or a ruler. 

 

 

You are talking as if this "party" would be able to manage Trump. This is the same party that was horrified by Trump but when they say the glimmer of hope of winning the presidency left all their worries behind and supported him. This is the party in which Trump bad-mouthed their most senior leader and yet he went meekly to support Trump. This party is being manipulated.

 

 

With all due respect, that's an opinion, as is mine. The rest is true, he bad mouths everyone, then he says the opposite, so what he says and does has no credibility. Do they support him, or do they support the party which is bigger and better than him


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  #1672776 17-Nov-2016 13:29
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@Tdgeek

 

There is also talk of him being impeached if he is unable to be controlled. And I suspect the republicans that decide to do this will get support from the democrats reasonably easily.

 

I don't actually know if Trump wants some of the stuff that comes with "Being President".

 

This is a guy who is rich and pretty much does whatever he wants.

 

1) He cannot drive anymore. Presidents must travel with their motorcade.

 

2) He is supposed to live in the white house. Security is supposedly a nightmare otherwise.

 

3) His body language and some of his comments seem to reflect this... it was almost as if he "just wanted to win". 

 

This sounds like the alt-right has taken a hold of him. Im talking about the part of the republican party that produced people like Sarah Palin. Steve Bannon just goes to prove that. Something doesn't quite add up, this is not your traditional group of republicans comments from the likes of the Bush family goes to prove that as well.

 

 


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  #1672788 17-Nov-2016 13:48
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@Tdgeek

 

There is also talk of him being impeached if he is unable to be controlled. And I suspect the republicans that decide to do this will get support from the democrats reasonably easily.

 

I don't actually know if Trump wants some of the stuff that comes with "Being President".

 

This is a guy who is rich and pretty much does whatever he wants.

 

1) He cannot drive anymore. Presidents must travel with their motorcade.

 

2) He is supposed to live in the white house. Security is supposedly a nightmare otherwise.

 

3) His body language and some of his comments seem to reflect this... it was almost as if he "just wanted to win". 

 

This sounds like the alt-right has taken a hold of him. Im talking about the part of the republican party that produced people like Sarah Palin. Steve Bannon just goes to prove that. Something doesn't quite add up, this is not your traditional group of republicans comments from the likes of the Bush family goes to prove that as well.

 

 

 

 

I very much agree. I fully see the points raised. The range of Trump ranges from meh to horrific as far as president is concerned

 

 

 

I see his electioneering as just that. He remains a prat though. He's not stupid, and Trump Inc to president is a huge shift to a totally unrelated position. I just dont see his antics transferring to the presidency.  


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  #1672793 17-Nov-2016 13:51
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I'm approaching the result with an open mind. Who knows, he might make America great again. In the meantime running around like Chicken Little does no one any good.





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  #1672803 17-Nov-2016 14:02
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darylblake:

 

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I think this man is unpredictable. This may or may not prove to be a bad thing. However I do think he is reasonably intelligent, some have dismissed this. And I do think he is going to focus heavily on what is good for America.

 

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He will focus heavily on what is good for Donald Trump.  undecided

 

He has been doing this for the last 70 years, and he's too old to change, even assuming that his bloated ego would let him.





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  #1672806 17-Nov-2016 14:06
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Fred99:

 

To use blatant racism, targeting entire races and cultures, threatening to deport millions of people, to build physical walls, to revoke treaties and agreements with other nations, isolationism and strong nationalism?

 

Check to all.  Yes - he's a fascist. It's just a name, don't be afraid to use it.

 

 

I'm disputing whether the techniques you label as fascist are in any way unique to fascism.

 

To paraphrase Hitler himself: You seem to have forgotten the Armenians. There's a chilling similarity to Hitler's treatment of the Jews. Done by Muslims in 1914, long before the word fascist was invented. Or perhaps we might think about the USA and various Native American tribes? Or the Russian Empire pogroms? The Spanish conquest of the New World?

 

Racism. Genocide. Torture. Theft. Intimidation. None of these are *fascist*.

 

 


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  #1672814 17-Nov-2016 14:14
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

What people keep pointing out about Hitler is that he stole the democratic process. It has also happened elsewhere. who is to say it couldn't be happening in this case?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 


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  #1672831 17-Nov-2016 14:22
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frankv:

 

Fred99:

 

To use blatant racism, targeting entire races and cultures, threatening to deport millions of people, to build physical walls, to revoke treaties and agreements with other nations, isolationism and strong nationalism?

 

Check to all.  Yes - he's a fascist. It's just a name, don't be afraid to use it.

 

 

I'm disputing whether the techniques you label as fascist are in any way unique to fascism.

 

To paraphrase Hitler himself: You seem to have forgotten the Armenians. There's a chilling similarity to Hitler's treatment of the Jews. Done by Muslims in 1914, long before the word fascist was invented. Or perhaps we might think about the USA and various Native American tribes? Or the Russian Empire pogroms? The Spanish conquest of the New World?

 

Racism. Genocide. Torture. Theft. Intimidation. None of these are *fascist*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may find that some consider that Turkey was the first fascist state.

 

"In reality, one of the consequences of the Armenian Genocide was the creation of the first fascist state in Europe’s periphery. The Republic of Turkey had all the core characteristics inherent to fascism and Nazism, which later emerged in Italy, Germany and some other European countries."

 

 


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  #1672832 17-Nov-2016 14:23
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Dulouz:


I'm approaching the result with an open mind. Who knows, he might make America great again. In the meantime running around like Chicken Little does no one any good.



At what cost and who's expense?





Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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  #1672858 17-Nov-2016 14:35
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MikeB4:

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 

 

 

Enjoy your perfect world, Henny Penny.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  #1672859 17-Nov-2016 14:37
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but there's a common perception, fueled by the Trump campaign, that things were indeed truly terrible in the US, that because of institutionalised high level corruption, because of the actions of other countries (ie Trump's attacks on China) and the blight from "them" (Mexican rapists, muslims etc).

 

Arguing against obvious fascism is hardly mischievous.  There damned well should be fear about him, there's not a lot of uncertainly about what he stands for, but a hellofalot of optimistic denialism going on in this thread.

 

 


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  #1672865 17-Nov-2016 14:46
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Fred99:

 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but there's a common perception, fueled by the Trump campaign, that things were indeed truly terrible in the US, that because of institutionalised high level corruption, because of the actions of other countries (ie Trump's attacks on China) and the blight from "them" (Mexican rapists, muslims etc).

 

Arguing against obvious fascism is hardly mischievous.  There damned well should be fear about him, there's not a lot of uncertainly about what he stands for, but a hellofalot of optimistic denialism going on in this thread.

 

 

 

 

Hang on. You cant decide that if anyone doesnt see the horror that will inflict the world in the quarter post 20 Jan 2017 is in denial. I could say that your opinions are paranoid or over thinking or extreme. Its better to give reasons why any one of thinks what we do, rather than assume your opinioins are correct. We all share the same opinion thats no issue. What he says he will do and what he will do or cant do, or gets told what to do is up in the air. His pratness isnt up in the air, but thankfully the US doesnt run a dictatorship.


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