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  #2934604 26-Jun-2022 13:24
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neb:
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So what about the idea of expanding the supreme court and stacking it with a liberal majority? If ever there was a time for that, it must be now. Political liberals really need to learn to put aside their ideological squeamishness and fight dirty.

 

The Democrats are still trying to play by the rules, it's the Retrumplicans who believe in doing things by any means necessary. In particular if they stack the court the Retrumplicans can just re-stack it once they get back into power and undo the previous decision(s). It only works if both sides agree to play by the rules, once one side pushes them aside to advance their agenda by any means necessary the system falls apart.

 

Good luck with either party re-stacking the court for at least the next two maybe even three presidential terms. The current average age a justice leaves the court is about 81 years

 





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  #2934605 26-Jun-2022 13:33
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FineWine:

Good luck with either party re-stacking the court for at least the next two maybe even three presidential terms.

 

 

That's not how it works, nothing says how many justices there should be in the court so one side would expand it by enough to get a majority for their political agenda, then the other side would expand it to get a majority for their agenda, etc. A bit like this.

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  #2934606 26-Jun-2022 13:40
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neb:
FineWine:

 

Good luck with either party re-stacking the court for at least the next two maybe even three presidential terms.

 

That's not how it works, nothing says how many justices there should be in the court so one side would expand it by enough to get a majority for their political agenda, then the other side would expand it to get a majority for their agenda, etc. A bit like this.

 

I was under the impression it was a max number of nine ??





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  #2934609 26-Jun-2022 13:54
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FineWine:

 

I was under the impression it was a max number of nine ??

 

 

Congress decides and at the moment the Democrats have a majority. Of course the unprincipled can undo everything if they get back into power, but that is no reason not to do it now. The dems could really push them over the edge and such a move would give them time to do so and put up barriers to limit their ability to claw back. Either this is a battle for the soul of America or it is not. If you think it is, you shouldn't rule out any underhanded tactic that can help your cause. Just look at the other side. It is way past time to stand around on the moral high ground congratulating yourself. Is it a shame if the liberal left has to resort to the same tactics as the extreme right? Yes. Is it a bigger shame to stand back and let them have their way? Definitely.

 

 





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  #2934610 26-Jun-2022 14:00
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I don't think the Dems have the numbers in the Senate to get new judges thru the confirmation hearings even if the numbers of SC judges was expanded.


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  #2934628 26-Jun-2022 16:08
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In the lines of Trump, the GOp, racists, alt-right: "Now do Plessy vs Ferguson/Brown vs Board of Education." - Brown vs Board of Education ended school segregation in America. Can we call this guy a horrible racist now?

 

https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/status/1540689961040482306 

 

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  #2934636 26-Jun-2022 16:34
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  #2934643 26-Jun-2022 16:56
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neb: The Democrats are still trying to play by the rules, it's the Retrumplicans who believe in doing things by any means necessary.


Case in point:

Wiki: Merrick Garland Supreme Court nomination

There were11 months left to President Obama's term at the time of Supreme Court Scalia's death

The Democrats argued that no precedent existed for such a lengthy delay and that previous presidents had nominated individuals in election years
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The Senate's Republican leadership was quick to assert that the vacancy should not be filled until after the 2016 presidential election
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On February 23, the 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee signed a letter to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell stating their unprecedented intention to withhold consent on any nominee made by President Obama, and that no hearings would occur until after January 20, 2017, when the next president took office.

This position subsequently became known as the "McConnell rule" though also not a formal rule of the Senate.

That August, McConnell, who played an instrumental role in keeping Merrick Garland from filling Scalia's vacant seat, declared to a crowd in Kentucky, "One of my proudest moments was when I looked at Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.'"
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  #2934650 26-Jun-2022 17:32
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The "suck it boy, life aint fair" smirks on these Republicans sickens me

11 months before the 2016 election, what Senate Republicans said about Merrick Garland’s nomination

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After refusing to fill the last Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential election year, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) now says the Senate would fill a vacancy if it opened up in 2020.


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  #2934666 26-Jun-2022 20:01
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Roe v Wade: senators say Trump supreme court nominees misled them.

 

 

I am shocked, shocked I tell you to find that Brett Kavanaugh, with his well-publicised track record of honesty and respect for women, would lie about his position on abortion in order to get into the Supreme Court. What's the world coming to when you can't rely on a Retrumplican to do the right thing?

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  #2934667 26-Jun-2022 20:09
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"I hate Illinois Nazis" - John Belushi.

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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-throwing-john-eastman-under-bus-inevitable-michael-cohen-1719285

 

Of course Trump is going throw John Eastman under the bus, ditto Jeffrey Clark. They didn't do what he wanted and they're not sticking up for him now things have gotten to where they are with the commission, so he's going to do whatever he can to show them how displeased he is with them. Despite meeting with them both in the White House a number of times, I bet he'll do his usual backed-into-a-corner-thing of "I don't know them" or "I barely know them".

 

Like I said before, they're (both) going to totally rue the day they came into Trump's orbit. This isn't going to end well for either of them - quite deservedly too!


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  #2934954 27-Jun-2022 16:20
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The Washington Post - Today's WorldView: The Supreme Court turns the U.S. into a cautionary tale

 

today

 


The American right loves to trumpet their nation’s “exceptionalism,” the myth that the United States’ political system and values are inherently unique and implicitly better than anything found elsewhere in the world. 

 

But whatever the merits of the belief, the United States in recent years has been seen by its closest partners as exceptional for all the wrong reasons. ...

 

The merciless toll of mass shootings in the United States reminds observers in places like Canada, Australia and Britain of the greater sanity of their nations’ gun laws.

 

And Friday’s decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade - scrapping the constitutional right to an abortion - led to a host of world leaders from across the political spectrum holding the United States up as a cautionary tale, a warning to the world of how fundamental rights can be lost.

 

 

 





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  #2935021 27-Jun-2022 19:46
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Looking at the new Dilbert cartoon tonight (not Classic Dilbert), I noticed the Trump-loving-fanboy Scott Adams is about to start a series of cartoons about the character's firm picking up a contract to do electoral voting machines:

 

 

Sigh.

 

I can see where this is going to go, so I've now removed the new Dilbert cartoons from my feed - I'm done with him. He's never getting another cent out of me ever again; in fact I may even sell my existing collection of Dilbert books (if anyone wants to buy any).

 

He must be really not caring now - having lost his public speaking career and watch his fanbase gradually drop off over the years. I'd say I'm in the latter portion. If he really wants to embrace this electoral fraud nonsense and ruin his cartoon with it, he can do it to Trump's diehard fanbase, but I'm afraid I'm no longer interested. Yes, he's allowed his free speech, blah blah blah, but I'm also allowed to vote with my wallet and tell him what I really think about him following this path, although I doubt he really cares.

 

Am I being over-sensitive? Okay, maybe. But since the rise of Trump, this guy (who I used to admire and look up to as a sort of role model, as someone who understood what office culture was like and felt like was on my side) has changed a lot, and not necessarily for the better, IMO. He can do without me (and several other people I know who used to follow him as well), I guess.

 

 


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