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  #3038003 17-Feb-2023 08:18
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gzt: Haley had to be a hard core Trump supporter, and that comes with some baggage, to get the nomination for the UN appointment.

 

She's a no hoper.


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  #3038016 17-Feb-2023 08:59
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Sideface: The NY Times - Opinion - The Law Is Closing In on Trump


In the US, "3 strikes and you're out" used to be

out = if(strikes > 3)

has now been adjusted to

out = if(strikes > INT(total assets/1,000,000) + 3 > 3)


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  #3038021 17-Feb-2023 09:25
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The NY Times - Georgia Grand Jury in Trump Inquiry Sees Signs of Perjury by Witnesses

 

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A court on Thursday released portions of a report by a special grand jury investigating whether Donald J. Trump and his allies interfered in the presidential election in Georgia in an attempt to overturn the 2020 result. 

 

The released portions do not delve into the grand jury’s conclusions or say whether they recommended indictments related to election interference.

 

But the jurors said they believed that “one or more” unnamed witnesses who testified in the inquiry may have committed perjury and should face indictment. 

 

They also found “that no widespread fraud took place in the Georgia 2020 presidential election that could result in overturning that election,” rejecting arguments made by Mr. Trump and his supporters. ...

 

Rudy Giuliani and others* are among the targets of the investigation. ...

 

The major question remains whether Mr. Trump himself could face criminal charges.

 



 

*  "others" include David Shafer, the Georgia Republican Party chair, and John Eastman, the lawyer who developed strategies to block the certification of the 2020 election.

 

 





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  #3038042 17-Feb-2023 10:20
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The NY Times - Georgia Grand Jury in Trump Inquiry Sees Signs of Perjury by Witnesses


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...But the jurors said they believed that “one or more” unnamed witnesses who testified in the inquiry may have committed perjury and should face indictment. 


Perjury is rare in the US. I believe the thinking is anyone saying "I didn't do it" and found guilty would be guilty of perjury; the sentencing by a judge handles the perjury.

Obviously I'd like to see justice done, for those that deliberately lied under oath, and ultimately weren't sentenced to anything.

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  #3038554 18-Feb-2023 12:06
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The Guardian - Fox News hosts thought Trump’s election fraud claims were ‘total BS’, court filings show

 

17 Feb 2023

 


Hosts at Fox News privately ridiculed Donald Trump’s claims that the 2020 election was stolen while simultaneously peddling the same lies on air, according to court filings in a defamation lawsuit against the network.

 

Rightwing personalities Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are among those named in the $1.6bn action brought by Dominion Voting Systems, the seller of electronic voting hardware and software that is suing Fox News and parent company Fox Corporation for maligning its reputation.  ...

 

Even billionaire Fox owner Rupert Murdoch was dismissive of the former president’s false allegations ...

 





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  #3038570 18-Feb-2023 12:40
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Hosts at Fox News privately ridiculed Donald Trump’s claims that the 2020 election was stolen while simultaneously peddling the same lies on air, according to court filings in a defamation lawsuit against the network.

 

Rightwing personalities Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are among those named in the $1.6bn action brought by Dominion Voting Systems, the seller of electronic voting hardware and software that is suing Fox News and parent company Fox Corporation for maligning its reputation.  ...

 

Even billionaire Fox owner Rupert Murdoch was dismissive of the former president’s false allegations ...

 

 

I really, really hope that Fox and the a$$holes behind it get nailed into the ground by this. They deserve every bit of what is coming to them. I hope they end up in jail for seditious behaviour and are bankrupted by billion dollar fines for the rest of their miserable worthless parasitic lying existence. I hope Murdoch has his American citizenship revoked on character grounds. I hope Tucker Carlson ends up with his big fat loud mouth full of something unmentionable. I hope Dominion gets a place in Heaven. Payback is way overdue.

 

 





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  #3038575 18-Feb-2023 12:58
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Rikkitic:

 

I really, really hope that Fox and the a$$holes behind it get nailed into the ground by this. They deserve every bit of what is coming to them. ...

 

I hope Murdoch has his American citizenship revoked on character grounds. ...

 



 

Rupert Murdoch - who is totally amoral - dumped Trump, very publicly, two days after the midterm elections.

 

The New York Post (owned by Murdoch) ran this front page on 10 Nov 2022:

 

 

The downside of Murdoch losing his American citizenship (improbable) is that he would become an Australian citizen again.

 

Many Australians, myself included, would resent this.  ๐Ÿ˜ 





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  #3038586 18-Feb-2023 13:48
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The downside of Murdoch losing his American citizenship (improbable) is that he would become an Australian citizen again.

 

Many Australians, myself included, would resent this.  ๐Ÿ˜ 

 

 

Don't forget you guys created the monster and imposed him on the rest of us. 

 

 





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  #3039263 20-Feb-2023 09:36
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An extreme long shot ...

 

The NY Times - Proud Boys Seek to Subpoena Trump to Testify at Jan. 6 Sedition Trial

 

16 Feb 2021

 


In a long-shot move, lawyers for five members of the Proud Boys facing sedition charges in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol are seeking to issue a subpoena demanding that former President Donald J. Trump appear as a witness at their trial.

 

The lawyers are hoping to elicit testimony from Mr. Trump that could persuade the jury that he, rather than their clients, instigated the crowd that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6. 

 



 

I don't fancy their chances.   ๐Ÿ™„





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  #3039307 20-Feb-2023 10:45
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An extreme long shot ...

 

The NY Times - Proud Boys Seek to Subpoena Trump to Testify at Jan. 6 Sedition Trial

 

16 Feb 2021

 


In a long-shot move, lawyers for five members of the Proud Boys facing sedition charges in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol are seeking to issue a subpoena demanding that former President Donald J. Trump appear as a witness at their trial.

 

The lawyers are hoping to elicit testimony from Mr. Trump that could persuade the jury that he, rather than their clients, instigated the crowd that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6. 

 



 

I don't fancy their chances.   ๐Ÿ™„

 

 

'He (or She) told me to do it' has always been a crap defense.





'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

 

'If you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.' Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'

 

 


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  #3039322 20-Feb-2023 11:18
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Trump won't do anything whatsoever to help them. He didn't get to stay in the White House, even with their "assistance", so no, I don't see him racing into any court to help them out. They're of no use to him (in his view) so he doesn't need them, basically.


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  #3039338 20-Feb-2023 12:00
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The legal system assumes people have free will.

If you commit a crime, even at the direction of someone else, you can be held responsible for your actions.

That does not mean that the person directing you to do it is not also guilty- they very likely are.

It just means that โ€œhe told me to do itโ€ is not a particularly strong criminal defense.

Trump has already played the "protected speech" card. (However it's clear he incited imminent lawless action and "fighting words", which are not protected. )

Also he's played the "fifth amendment" card so much, that the ink is being worn out: not answering because Trump knows answering the question will be self-incriminatory.

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  #3039348 20-Feb-2023 12:08
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Whenever Trump says, 'What've you done for me lately?', he means in the last ten seconds.





'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

 

'If you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.' Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'

 

 


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  #3039517 20-Feb-2023 16:51
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From 2015, here's Trump holding a worthless loyalty pledge to the Republican party.


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  #3039521 20-Feb-2023 16:58
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kingdragonfly: From 2015, here's Trump holding a worthless loyalty pledge to the Republican party.

 

You are mistaken!

 

Trump signed a loyalty pledge to himself!


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