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  #1696334 29-Dec-2016 21:15
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gzt:
JimsonWeed:

 

gzt:
JimsonWeed: Again... relying on the popular vote by itself is flawed logic. If it were just based on popular voting, all the candidates would need to do is focus on California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

Once again, your logic is flawed and based on an incorrect understanding of the electoral college.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah well.. let's agree to disagree.  :)

 

 

 

In the meantime, consider the points discussed in this book. You can reference it at books.google.co.nz with the search criteria, "electoral college".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bugh, G. (Ed.). (2016). Electoral College Reform: Challenges and Possibilities. Routledge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers

 


I don't think we are at that stage yet! : ). Fact:

- Florida has approx 17% of the population of the USA
- Florida has approx 17% of the votes in the electoral college

Both true. You are continuing to claim that Donald Trump won because the electoral college was created so that states with large populations would have less influence. That claim is clearly not accurate on many levels.

Those are the facts.

 

Ok, for call. Im not really favouring popular vote or electoral boundaries, but, how do all the states stack up? I don't expect you to research that, but Florida is one state. Like here, some electorates favour one party. Say there was a National electorate, biggish, they could add in a Labour sector as that wont affect the result, but it may help the next guy in that other electorate. Popular vote does have its merits if it was illegal not to vote = peoples choice. The next step is how to manage regions.


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  #1696337 29-Dec-2016 21:21
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JimsonWeed:

 

gzt:
JimsonWeed: Again... relying on the popular vote by itself is flawed logic. If it were just based on popular voting, all the candidates would need to do is focus on California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

Once again, your logic is flawed and based on an incorrect understanding of the electoral college.

 

 

 

Ah well.. let's agree to disagree.  :)

 

In the meantime, consider the points discussed in this book. You can reference it at books.google.co.nz with the search criteria, "electoral college".

 

 

 

Bugh, G. (Ed.). (2016). Electoral College Reform: Challenges and Possibilities. Routledge.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

'Agree to disagree' is the lamest discussion you could ever have for advertising a book.

 

Do you have no ideas?

 

Or are you pushing a certain agenda?


 
 
 
 


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  #1696341 29-Dec-2016 21:28
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JimsonWeed: Again... relying on the popular vote by itself is flawed logic. If it were just based on popular voting, all the candidates would need to do is focus on California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

 

Ah well.. let's agree to disagree.  :)

 

In the meantime, consider the points discussed in this book. You can reference it at books.google.co.nz with the search criteria, "electoral college".

 

Bugh, G. (Ed.). (2016). Electoral College Reform: Challenges and Possibilities. Routledge.

 

Cheers

 

 

Dude:

 

I don't think we are at that stage yet! : ). Fact:

- Florida has approx 17% of the population of the USA
- Florida has approx 17% of the votes in the electoral college

Both true. You are continuing to claim that Donald Trump won because the electoral college was created so that states with large populations would have less influence. That claim is clearly not accurate on many levels.

Those are the facts.

 

It's a really good book :)  Surely we can agree the system is not perfect but, it does seek to preserve the balance of power. Likewise, it could also be used to abuse the balance power.  This is the global decline we see all around us.  Honour and integrity mean very little but to a few anymore.  Across all others, it's all about "Kumbaya" and just let me skate through life with as little hassle as possible.  Unfortunately, the world is not fair and no man will ever succeed in making it fair.  I mentioned another wise man earlier, Sir Thomas More, author of the book, Utopia.  It's another great book but unfortunately, it does not reflect the inherent nature of mankind.  Thus, we are stuck in this realm and we are forced to make the best of it while we are here.

 

When was the last time you ever saw a politician deliver on his or her promises?  Seriously... they pit us one against the other in order to achieve their objective.  Once accomplished, pfffft... we're just a problem for them.  I would rather vote in an a$$hat than an obsequious court jester who merely strokes my passions to secure my vote.  At least with the a$$hat, I know what I'm getting.  :)


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  #1696346 29-Dec-2016 21:38
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JimsonWeed:

 

JimsonWeed: Again... relying on the popular vote by itself is flawed logic. If it were just based on popular voting, all the candidates would need to do is focus on California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

 

Ah well.. let's agree to disagree.  :)

 

In the meantime, consider the points discussed in this book. You can reference it at books.google.co.nz with the search criteria, "electoral college".

 

Bugh, G. (Ed.). (2016). Electoral College Reform: Challenges and Possibilities. Routledge.

 

Cheers

 

 

Dude:

 

I don't think we are at that stage yet! : ). Fact:

- Florida has approx 17% of the population of the USA
- Florida has approx 17% of the votes in the electoral college

Both true. You are continuing to claim that Donald Trump won because the electoral college was created so that states with large populations would have less influence. That claim is clearly not accurate on many levels.

Those are the facts.

 

It's a really good book :)  Surely we can agree the system is not perfect but, it does seek to preserve the balance of power. Likewise, it could also be used to abuse the balance power.  This is the global decline we see all around us.  Honour and integrity mean very little but to a few anymore.  Across all others, it's all about "Kumbaya" and just let me skate through life with as little hassle as possible.  Unfortunately, the world is not fair and no man will ever succeed in making it fair.  I mentioned another wise man earlier, Sir Thomas More, author of the book, Utopia.  It's another great book but unfortunately, it does not reflect the inherent nature of mankind.  Thus, we are stuck in this realm and we are forced to make the best of it while we are here.

 

When was the last time you ever saw a politician deliver on his or her promises?  Seriously... they pit us one against the other in order to achieve their objective.  Once accomplished, pfffft... we're just a problem for them.  I would rather vote in an a$$hat than an obsequious court jester who merely strokes my passions to secure my vote.  At least with the a$$hat, I know what I'm getting.  :)

 

 

 

 

So pretty sure where this is coming from i.e. A$$hat vs Jester.

 

This will be propaganda. The language is propaganda.

 

If you were honest, you would state names.

 

I won't read your book.

 

There are many other serious books.


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  #1696347 29-Dec-2016 21:39
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JWR:

 

JimsonWeed:

 

gzt:
JimsonWeed: Again... relying on the popular vote by itself is flawed logic. If it were just based on popular voting, all the candidates would need to do is focus on California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

Once again, your logic is flawed and based on an incorrect understanding of the electoral college.

 

Ah well.. let's agree to disagree.  :)

 

In the meantime, consider the points discussed in this book. You can reference it at books.google.co.nz with the search criteria, "electoral college".

 

Bugh, G. (Ed.). (2016). Electoral College Reform: Challenges and Possibilities. Routledge.

 

Cheers

 

 

'Agree to disagree' is the lamest discussion you could ever have for advertising a book.

 

Do you have no ideas?

 

Or are you pushing a certain agenda?

 

 

To agree to disagree is just a gentleman's way of stepping away from futility.  What would serve you better... pistols at dawn?  Of course not. :)  And yes, I have plenty of ideas and no, I'm not pushing an agenda... nor am I peddling a book.  I joined this site because whilst researching a technical problem, I found what looked to be a good collection of folks on here and I liked that.  I especially like the off-topic, open-forum.  I figure having such a place to engage in general discourse, there's an expectation of decorum.

 

Incidentally.. I'll accept offering a lame discussion but I would ask you... did you even bother to read was set before you?  Perhaps then you might understand why I believe as I do or, seize the opportunity to set me back on the path of proper thinking. 

 

I can see it in you... you're both a gentleman and a scholar.


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  #1696348 29-Dec-2016 21:40
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JWR:

 

JimsonWeed:

 

gzt:
JimsonWeed: Again... relying on the popular vote by itself is flawed logic. If it were just based on popular voting, all the candidates would need to do is focus on California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

Once again, your logic is flawed and based on an incorrect understanding of the electoral college.

 

 

 

Ah well.. let's agree to disagree.  :)

 

In the meantime, consider the points discussed in this book. You can reference it at books.google.co.nz with the search criteria, "electoral college".

 

 

 

Bugh, G. (Ed.). (2016). Electoral College Reform: Challenges and Possibilities. Routledge.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

'Agree to disagree' is the lamest discussion you could ever have for advertising a book.

 

Do you have no ideas?

 

Or are you pushing a certain agenda?

 

 

With all due respect, agree to disagree is a fair comment. TBH I get sick of here at times. Not you, but some. Its about discussion, not about A vs B, which is what happens a lot lately. There are a few usual suspects, again, not aimed at you. This new Jim guy has some fair points, he referenced those, thats ok I reckon.  Just my opinion. If I had an issue with grass, dishwasher, here is awesome. IT too. But these testing topics do tend to disintegrate. Having said that, we do get given good latitude by the mods. And some do get warned. But, be cool to all be aware, that we all have opinions, beliefs, etc, its not personal. And this is not aimed at you, you are the lucky one, or unlucky, that prompted my post.


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  #1696351 29-Dec-2016 21:43
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JimsonWeed:

 

JWR:

 

JimsonWeed:

 

gzt:
JimsonWeed: Again... relying on the popular vote by itself is flawed logic. If it were just based on popular voting, all the candidates would need to do is focus on California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

Once again, your logic is flawed and based on an incorrect understanding of the electoral college.

 

Ah well.. let's agree to disagree.  :)

 

In the meantime, consider the points discussed in this book. You can reference it at books.google.co.nz with the search criteria, "electoral college".

 

Bugh, G. (Ed.). (2016). Electoral College Reform: Challenges and Possibilities. Routledge.

 

Cheers

 

 

'Agree to disagree' is the lamest discussion you could ever have for advertising a book.

 

Do you have no ideas?

 

Or are you pushing a certain agenda?

 

 

To agree to disagree is just a gentleman's way of stepping away from futility.  What would serve you better... pistols at dawn?  Of course not. :)  And yes, I have plenty of ideas and no, I'm not pushing an agenda... nor am I peddling a book.  I joined this site because whilst researching a technical problem, I found what looked to be a good collection of folks on here and I liked that.  I especially like the off-topic, open-forum.  I figure having such a place to engage in general discourse, there's an expectation of decorum.

 

Incidentally.. I'll accept offering a lame discussion but I would ask you... did you even bother to read was set before you?  Perhaps then you might understand why I believe as I do or, seize the opportunity to set me back on the path of proper thinking. 

 

I can see it in you... you're both a gentleman and a scholar.

 

 

You are a wonderful piece of stuff.

 

..or abot.


 
 
 
 


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#1696353 29-Dec-2016 21:46
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gzt:
JimsonWeed:

gzt:
JimsonWeed: Again... relying on the popular vote by itself is flawed logic. If it were just based on popular voting, all the candidates would need to do is focus on California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

Once again, your logic is flawed and based on an incorrect understanding of the electoral college.


 


Ah well.. let's agree to disagree.  :)


In the meantime, consider the points discussed in this book. You can reference it at books.google.co.nz with the search criteria, "electoral college".


 


Bugh, G. (Ed.). (2016). Electoral College Reform: Challenges and Possibilities. Routledge.


 


Cheers


I don't think we are at that stage yet! : ). Fact:

- Florida has approx 17% of the population of the USA
- Florida has approx 17% of the votes in the electoral college

Both true. You are continuing to claim that Donald Trump won because the electoral college was created so that states with large populations would have less influence. That claim is clearly not accurate on many levels.

Those are the facts.

Bwahahah I got that spectacularly wrong and nobody noticed : ). Should be approx 6% for both figures, the point is still valid. The proportions are close enough.

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  #1696354 29-Dec-2016 21:48
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JWR:

 

So pretty sure where this is coming from i.e. A$$hat vs Jester.

 

This will be propaganda. The language is propaganda.

 

If you were honest, you would state names.

 

I won't read your book.

 

There are many other serious books.

 

 

Names... sure!  Would you have preferred HR Perot, Lyndon Larouch, or Donald Trump if they were running?  Would you prefer Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama, or New Gingrich if they were running?   There is not agenda or propaganda. It was an analogy which simply suggests that I would rather dance with the Devil I know than the one I don't.  Nothing more... noting less.

 

By all rights, you can go search on "electoral college" on any search site and choose your own book.  They all say the same thing whether or not they are for or against.  They merely present both sides of the argument and allow you to choose your convictions.

 

Truthfully... in all absolute honest... Yes, I'm pleased Donald Trump won the election.  Whether or not I like him is irrelevant.  I just say we give the guy a chance.  Hate him all you want... but maybe step back and see what he does and doesn't do.


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  #1696356 29-Dec-2016 21:50
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JimsonWeed:

 

 

 

JWR:

 

So pretty sure where this is coming from i.e. A$$hat vs Jester.

 

This will be propaganda. The language is propaganda.

 

If you were honest, you would state names.

 

I won't read your book.

 

There are many other serious books.

 

 

Names... sure!  Would you have preferred HR Perot, Lyndon Larouch, or Donald Trump if they were running?  Would you prefer Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama, or New Gingrich if they were running?   There is not agenda or propaganda. It was an analogy which simply suggests that I would rather dance with the Devil I know than the one I don't.  Nothing more... noting less.

 

By all rights, you can go search on "electoral college" on any search site and choose your own book.  They all say the same thing whether or not they are for or against.  They merely present both sides of the argument and allow you to choose your convictions.

 

Truthfully... in all absolute honest... Yes, I'm pleased Donald Trump won the election.  Whether or not I like him is irrelevant.  I just say we give the guy a chance.  Hate him all you want... but maybe step back and see what he does and doesn't do.

 

 

 

 

Its a bot!


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  #1696357 29-Dec-2016 21:51
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Don't go to any link they post.


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  #1696359 29-Dec-2016 21:52
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JWR:

 

You are a wonderful piece of stuff.

 

..or abot.

 

 

A little less cordial than one might prefer but still... thank you kindly  :)   You have a wonderful economy of words.


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  #1696361 29-Dec-2016 21:55
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JWR:

 

JimsonWeed:

 

 

 

JWR:

 

So pretty sure where this is coming from i.e. A$$hat vs Jester.

 

This will be propaganda. The language is propaganda.

 

If you were honest, you would state names.

 

I won't read your book.

 

There are many other serious books.

 

 

Names... sure!  Would you have preferred HR Perot, Lyndon Larouch, or Donald Trump if they were running?  Would you prefer Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama, or New Gingrich if they were running?   There is not agenda or propaganda. It was an analogy which simply suggests that I would rather dance with the Devil I know than the one I don't.  Nothing more... noting less.

 

By all rights, you can go search on "electoral college" on any search site and choose your own book.  They all say the same thing whether or not they are for or against.  They merely present both sides of the argument and allow you to choose your convictions.

 

Truthfully... in all absolute honest... Yes, I'm pleased Donald Trump won the election.  Whether or not I like him is irrelevant.  I just say we give the guy a chance.  Hate him all you want... but maybe step back and see what he does and doesn't do.

 

 

 

 

Its a bot!

 

 

C'mon!!  :-)  he is new here. I like the upfront and manners too. So much of that is missing from a very few usual suspects here. Bottom line is we have opinions etc. Its not personal. Its not an argument. In fact we all could really disagree, yet still discuss issues, as its not personal, as long as we all can accept the others points, maybe some are good, or ok, maybe not. Don't matter. 


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  #1696363 29-Dec-2016 21:59
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Its a bot!

 

 

 

tdgeek:

 

C'mon!!  :-)  he is new here. I like the upfront and manners too. So much of that is missing from a very few usual suspects here. Bottom line is we have opinions etc. Its not personal. Its not an argument. In fact we all could really disagree, yet still discuss issues, as its not personal, as long as we all can accept the others points, maybe some are good, or ok, maybe not. Don't matter. 

 

 

Thanks, td.. I've been trying to bow out of this.  Incidentally.. if I'm a bot... I'd pay handsomely for a copy of me :)   Hahahahaha!  The coding would be spectacular.  Eliza wasn't even this good :)  Now.. I'm dating myself if you remember that one.


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  #1696368 29-Dec-2016 22:21
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Eliza, now this is something...

 

Folks, I'd suggest you either step away from the keyboard and go have a drink (or some food) and calm down - or just stop replying to this thread if you feel that much passion.





 

 

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