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  #3066549 21-Apr-2023 14:21
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kingdragonfly: Trump acolyte Sebastian Gorka ranted in response “They want to take your pickup truck! They want to rebuild your home! They want to take away your hamburgers! This is what Stalin dreamt about but never achieved!”

 

 

And the Fox zombies will believe every word. Some time ago Fox claimed that Angela Merkel had stated that there were no-go zones in German cities. A UK ex-pat living in Germany found the interview they were referencing, which was something like 45 minutes long and mostly about fiscal policy, with some throwaway questions at the end to fill up the time. The only even vaguely related question she was asked was a non-question about Thomas de Maizière, the interior minister, to which she gave a non-reply about being confident in his performance.

 

 

The ex-pat hypothesised that they were banking on the fact that Fox viewers were unlikely to speak German and so wouldn't catch on to the fact that this was yet another story invented by Fox. My response was that Fox could pretty much rely on the fact that no Fox viewer would ever think of checking anything they said even if the interview had been in English. Referencing a boring fiscal-policy discussion in another language was totally unnecessary.

 

 

An example of this was something I mentioned here a while back where a guy on a YT video claimed the Washington Post had written something so obviously wrong that my immediate reaction was that that had to have come from Fox because the WaPo would never get it that wrong. Sure enough, it was another fine Fox creation.

 

 

So none of their viewers will do even the most trivial amount of checking - it was maybe 15 seconds with Google - for anything Fox tells them. They'll swallow absolutely anything Fox feeds them.

 

 

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed.

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  #3066575 21-Apr-2023 15:49
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neb:

 

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed.

 

An appropriate quote from George Orwell of 1984 book fame.

 

Somehow Trump, whose grasp on the English language is limited to kindergarten speak at best, is able to tap into the intelligence and educational level of his target audience, just as Joseph Goebbels did, without actually understanding what he is doing. An idiot savant of oratory if you will. (???)

 

If someone was to give him the above quote or similar treatises of say Joseph Goebbels (Goebbels on propaganda (1931)) or Propaganda - Goebbels' Principles and he was able to understand and inwardly digest them, then America and the World would be in serious trouble. He has that animalistic pull that those that need to be led crave for.

 

Thanks to whatever deity you aspire to, that his narcissistic psychopathic brain cell count and their connections are limited at best.





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  #3066820 22-Apr-2023 07:56
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freitasm:

 

quickymart:

 

If we're lucky, Smartmatic won't simply settle, even if Fox offers all the money in the world, and they will insist on a trial. 

 

 

How do you know? When their lawyers see a large number they might change ideas.

 

 

They probably won't go as quietly as Dominion: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/20/media/smartmatic-fox-news-retraction/index.html

 

 


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  #3066822 22-Apr-2023 08:28
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With all things Trumpian, it's always worse than what we suspected; the video is much worse than what the article lays out.

Washington Post: Top Republican GOP lawyer decries ease of campus voting in private pitch to RNC


A top Republican legal strategist told a roomful of GOP donors over the weekend that conservatives must band together to limit voting on college campuses, same-day voter registration and automatic mailing of ballots to registered voters, according to a copy of her presentation reviewed by The Washington Post.

Cleta Mitchell, a longtime GOP lawyer and fundraiser who worked closely with former president Donald Trump to try to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, gave the presentation at a Republican National Committee donor retreat in Nashville on Saturday.

The presentation — which had more than 50 slides and was labeled “A Level Playing Field for 2024” — offered a window into a strategy that seems designed to reduce voter access and turnout among certain groups, including students and those who vote by mail, both of which tend to skew Democratic.
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“What are these college campus locations?” she asked, according to the audio. “What is this young people effort that they do? They basically put the polling place next to the student dorm so they just have to roll out of bed, vote, and go back to bed.”
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  #3066826 22-Apr-2023 09:34
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  #3066886 22-Apr-2023 11:55
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As expected, the cartoonists this week are literally all over the Fox News-Dominion thing:

 

 

 

 

 

This (unrelated) one is quite clever too:

 

 

 


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  #3066974 22-Apr-2023 14:46
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TUCKER CARLSON REPORTS THAT FOX DID NOT SETTLE DOMINION LAWSUIT

 

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In his first on-air appearance since Fox News Channel settled Dominion Voting Systems’ lawsuit, Tucker Carlson reported that Fox News Channel did not settle Dominion Voting Systems’ lawsuit.

 

“This just in,” Carlson began his program. “Fox News Channel has not paid $787.5 million to settle the defamation lawsuit against it.”

 

“By not paying this money, Fox News Channel is not acknowledging that we reported any inaccurate information about the 2020 election,” he added. “In addition, we are demonstrating that we had a very, very strong case and would not have writhed like sniveling scoundrels on the witness stand.”

 

“Finally, Dominion Voting Systems has apologized for giving us so much grief, and, to compensate us, they’ve agreed to pay Fox News Channel $787.5 million,” he said. “Case closed.”

 

Carlson then went on to discuss the network’s “huge victory over Dominion” with the Fox legal analyst and former federal judge George Santos.





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  #3067464 24-Apr-2023 00:09
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Depressing analysis from Vox on how people watching a lot of US media are watching Fox even if they don't know it:

 

 


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  #3067619 24-Apr-2023 13:20
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neb: Depressing analysis from Vox on how people watching a lot of US media are watching Fox even if they don't know it:

 

Yeah, depressing is the right description. However, there is a solution (Mary-lol!). All the Dems need do is set up their own 'Faux-News' channel, called, maybe, Dox News. Or Sox, Clox, Mox. Perhaps Stox to make it sound like an investment-oriented channel. Jox could pull millions of NFL locker-room fans. Or Grox, with a highbrow nod to Robert Heinlein followers. Short answer - If you can't beat 'em, outwit 'em. Which shouldn't be all that diffcult given the intellectual level of the opposition... 





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  #3067641 24-Apr-2023 14:27
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Maybe news channel could hire cryptozoologists, for a nightly segment.

They could claim Trump is a chupacabra, who attacks and drink the blood of livestock, including goats. It would explain his fascination with Mexico.

The Senate leader of the Republican Party Mitch McConnel definitely looks like a Japanese Kappa.


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  #3067647 24-Apr-2023 14:45
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Looks like we have a good start. Popular item


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  #3067662 24-Apr-2023 15:53
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https://news.yahoo.com/destroy-guy-why-trump-campaign-130000363.html

 

Petty much?

 

Who am I kidding, no level of petty is too low for Trump.


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  #3067664 24-Apr-2023 15:56
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Darker times indeed in the US.

This article pre-dates Trump and company attempted 2020 overthrow over democracy, and the accelerated twisting of values in the justice department, and supreme court.

Salon 2019: Republicans, a history: How did the party of "law and order" become the party of crooks and crime?

Fundamentalism and authoritarianism pushed the Republicans from low-grade mendacity into a threat to democracy

Whatever happened to the Republicans as the “party of law and order”? True, Richard Nixon, who first branded the party that way, was lying when he famously said, “I am not a crook.” Both Watergate and the Iran-Contra scandal rank among the most notorious examples of executive branch lawlessness in our nation’s history. But through it all, the narrative commitment to the brand never wavered. It was a source of moral and political strength, always to be contrasted with “soft on crime” Democrats, however contrary the front-page facts might be.

But not anymore. As noted here by Jennifer Mercieca, a historian of rhetoric whose book, "Demagogue for President: The Rhetorical Genius of Donald Trump", it’s the Democrats who are the party of law and order in the impeachment drama, while the GOP is the party of conspiracy.

Of course the rhetoric of conspiracy isn’t entirely synonymous with that of crooks and criminals — but when you start to insist that career law-enforcement officials are all in on it, and you’ve abandoned the “law and order” frame to the Democrats, the crooks and criminals stench is difficult to dispel. And it’s not happening in isolation, either — above and beyond the plethora of scandal Trump generates, and the lockstep support Republicans are giving him.
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  #3067665 24-Apr-2023 15:59
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neb: Depressing analysis from Vox on how people watching a lot of US media are watching Fox even if they don't know it:

It's a thought provoking video. Imo there's more too it. Random stats I read. Median age of Fox viewer is 68. Kind of an old school talkback radio demographic imo. Voter turnout in Florida is high. Current CNN viewership apparently skews toward 25+ college educated female. Way different.

I find the talking heads opinion first no-content format of many CNN programs almost unwatchable. Feels like filler to me and amazes me what those hosts are paid for it. I feel the same about Fox. Big changes are in progress at CNN. Time will tell if it makes a difference to watchability. I prefer the free ABC Go News by a long shot.

One last major point. Fox really embraced a digital strategy. Fox mobile is excellent in every way. It's easy to use even on older devices. CNN tried a paid digital offering recently and then closed it after a month. CNN is a million miles behind in reach and content. Digital has almost passed them by.

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  #3067765 24-Apr-2023 20:28
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Biden will have a few headwinds heading into 2024: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/04/analysis-us-president-joe-biden-s-re-election-campaign-faces-new-challenges.html

 

Having said that: a fairly significant portion of Americans don't want a rematch of 2020 in 2024: https://cw39.com/politics/38-percent-in-new-poll-say-they-feel-exhaustion-over-prospect-of-rematch-between-biden-trump/

 

I'm inclined to agree. Out of what, 330 million-odd people in the entire country, are these two the only ones who are really the best options?


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