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  #3086952 9-Jun-2023 15:04
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freitasm:

 

What else could I even put there? Already have "indicted" in the subject.

 

 

Indicted twice?


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  #3086956 9-Jun-2023 15:18
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America's criminal president?

 

 





Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

 


 


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  #3086958 9-Jun-2023 15:21
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This is great news, but I'll relax a bit more once things are actually in progress. I've seen him dodge exactly this type of thing far too many times before to rest easy yet.


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  #3086961 9-Jun-2023 15:32
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  #3086978 9-Jun-2023 16:07
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msukiwi:   ... and still NO Orange Jumpsuit ...

 

 



Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the most innocentist of all?





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  #3086984 9-Jun-2023 16:23
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The NY Times - Here are some of the charges Trump faces.


A grand jury has charged Trump with a total of seven counts, including:



  • Unauthorized retention of national security documents

  • Conspiracy

  • Obstruction

  • False statement

  • Mishandling official documents

  • Contempt of court



Wow, those are serious crimes!

And "contempt of court" is the icing on the cake, as it's burden of proof is very, very low.

There's an appeal process but "quick justice" comes to mind, and you can only appeal once. "A snowball's chance in hell" also comes to mind. Usually you're already sitting in jail before you can appeal.

I believe "contempt of court" for federal courts the maximum is two years, and for state courts vary from 6 months to 18 months.

The amount of time is up to the judge and there are judges out there who will not hesitate to impose a jail sentence.

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  #3086994 9-Jun-2023 16:49
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Kyanar:

freitasm:

 

What else could I even put there? Already have "indicted" in the subject.

 

 

Indicted twice?

 

 

"Impeached and indicted twice each"? Or "Two impeachments, two indictments, more to come".

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  #3087001 9-Jun-2023 17:24
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Good suggestions, updated.





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  #3088004 9-Jun-2023 18:03
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What I find quite depressing is all this (while all deserved and long overdue) is just going to embolden his supporters, sadly - they won't flee, they won't abandon him, hell, they'll probably fall over themselves to donate money to the jerk.

 

CNN answers a few questions here: https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mar-a-lago-documents-probe-latest/index.html

 

Has this ever happened before? Absolutely not. No former president, or presidential frontrunner from a major political party, has ever been charged with a federal crime.
Wasn't he already indicted? Yes, Trump was indicted in March on state charges related to hush-money payments to a former adult-film star. This new indictment involves completely different federal charges, related to his handling of classified documents after he left the White House.
Can he still run for president? Yes — nothing stops Trump from running while indicted, or even convicted. It may be more difficult for an indicted candidate to win votes, but it's not forbidden for them to run or be elected.
What if Trump wins before the trial ends? He could make it go away, one attorney told CNN. If Trump wins the election, as president he could control the Justice Department, and dismiss the case if it is still pending.
Could Trump be jailed? We’re getting ahead of ourselves. He hasn’t been tried, much less convicted. People do routinely serve prison time for retention of classified documents, conspiracy and obstruction — but top officials accused of wrongdoing also have historically found a way out of jail.

 

If - despite a fairly large field of Republican candidates who don't have all his baggage - he runs and still wins, even after all this...I feel it says a lot about Republicans.


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  #3088016 9-Jun-2023 19:36
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Further to my earlier post, this is the Guardian's version of the 7 charges:

 

The Guardian - Donald Trump charged with illegal retention of classified documents

 

The charges listed in the summons included: 

 

  • wilful retention of national defense information
  • conspiracy to obstruct justice
  • withholding a document
  • corruptly concealing a document
  • concealing a document in a federal investigation
  • engaging in a scheme to conceal
  • false statements.




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  #3088157 10-Jun-2023 08:26
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An image from the indictment shows boxes being stored in a bathroom at Mar-a-Lago. 

 



An image from the indictment shows boxes being stored in a ballroom at Mar-a-Lago.

 

It was all lies about "7 charges"...


 

The NY Times - The 38 Federal Charges in the Donald Trump Documents Indictment

 

  • 31 counts: Related to withholding national defense information (One count for each document he was alleged to have kept in his possession.)

  • 5 counts: Related to concealing possession of classified documents  (Among them are counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and withholding documents and records, levied against both Mr. Trump and an aide, Walt Nauta.)

  • 2 counts: False statements (Related to statements to the F.B.I. by Mr. Trump and an aide, Walt Nauta.)

The Trump Classified Documents Indictment    (49 pages)  link

 

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  #3088159 10-Jun-2023 09:24
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Couple of stories from 538 on the whole saga:

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-second-indictment-election-fallout/ >> I dunno, the a-hole certainly seems untouchable to me (at least from a Republican point of view)

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-indictment-republican-primary-candidates-reaction/ >> good to see not all Republicans are behind him, because if the tables were turned Trump certainly wouldn't do much of anything to help them!

 

Also from CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-indictment-classified-documents-06-09-23/index.html >> next thing I can hear Trump crying is "oh, this was all staged to make me look bad".
Yes, that's exactly what happened. The FBI just happened to spend hours and hours at Maralago stacking boxes high to ceiling and taking photos, while no one at the property did anything or just stood there and let them do it?? Spare me 🙄


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  #3088160 10-Jun-2023 09:49
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The Washington Post - Trump on tape: ‘Now I can’t’ declassify secret Iran papers

 

today

 

The fast-moving developments in the wake of the sealed indictment included new details about the evidence that led to the charges, including an audio recording from 2021 in which Trump talks about an apparently secret document and says,
As president, I could have declassified it, but now I can’t.

 

The recording was made in the summer of 2021 as Trump spoke to researchers for a book being written by his former chief of staff, Mark Meadows. ...

 

In the recording, Trump complains about Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

 

 

Well, with Milley - uh, let me see that, I’ll show you an example. 

 

He said that I wanted to attack Iran. Isn’t that amazing? I have a big pile of papers; this thing just came up. 

 

Look. This was him. They presented me this - this is off the record, but - they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him. ... 

 

This wasn’t done by me, this was him. All sorts of stuff - pages long, look. Wait a minute, let’s see here. I just found, isn’t that amazing? 

 

This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. ... This was done by the military and given to me.

 

 

 

 

Baby Donald was skiting in the playground.  😉

 





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  #3088203 10-Jun-2023 14:05
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If porn star Stormy Daniel's correct, Trump's got nothing to boast about.

Rolling Stone: Oh-So-Mature Trump Aides Want Him to Focus on DeSantis’ Penis

This is how petty and aggressively stupid the 2024 GOP presidential primary has become: several close aides and allies to Donald Trump want to challenge Ron DeSantis to a literal dick-measuring contest.

It wouldn’t be the first juvenile move by Team Trump in this young primary season. Already, Trump has suggested that DeSantis, his chief rival, might be secretly gay. He’s gone after DeSantis over pronunciation of his own last name. He has claimed to have salacious dirt on Florida’s governor, that he might release during the primary. Recently, Trump’s campaign went after one of DeSantis’ top aides, apparently insulting her physical appearance.

Now, some of Trump’s longtime advisers are even urging him to continuously make reference to the size of DeSantis’ penis, telling him such insults could stick with GOP primary voters and mess with his rival’s head, two sources with knowledge of the matter tell Rolling Stone. Trump’s team discussed having Trump refer to the Florida governor as “Tiny D,” Bloomberg reported in March. While some understood it as a shot at DeSantis’ height, the sobriquet was specifically intended to suggest diminutive genitalia, four people familiar with the topic say.
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  #3088204 10-Jun-2023 14:28
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The only thing lamer than Trump going on about it is MSNBC trying to make it into a topic:


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