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  #1696818 31-Dec-2016 14:01
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Both Huffington Post and Fox News have been the first reporting on and investigating several important stories. It would be foolish to dismiss all reporting from these services. Also, both are actually fairly mainstream in terms of the USA.

Edit: However, please note I'm not accusing either of you of reading them : ).

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  #1696820 31-Dec-2016 14:09
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JimsonWeed:

 

 

 

1: Voter fraud is quite common in everything from Prom Queen to POTUS.  It's not just an "American" thing - it's global.  That is the principle driver behind identification laws.

 

That just not true. Yes, voter fraud exists to varying degrees in various places for various things. But to say it is quite common for POTUS is simply untrue and you have provided nothing to substantiate it, nor can the GOP because it's a tiny problem that has no effect on the outcome. 

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/





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  #1696852 31-Dec-2016 16:42
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gzt: Both Huffington Post and Fox News have been the first reporting on and investigating several important stories. It would be foolish to dismiss all reporting from these services. Also, both are actually fairly mainstream in terms of the USA.

Edit: However, please note I'm not accusing either of you of reading them : ).

 

 

 

Fox was also very anti-Trump during the Republican primaries.

 

They've flip-flopped for obvious reasons.


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  #1696859 31-Dec-2016 17:15
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JimsonWeed:


 


1: Voter fraud is quite common in everything from Prom Queen to POTUS.  It's not just an "American" thing - it's global.  That is the principle driver behind identification laws.


That just not true. Yes, voter fraud exists to varying degrees in various places for various things. But to say it is quite common for POTUS is simply untrue and you have provided nothing to substantiate it, nor can the GOP because it's a tiny problem that has no effect on the outcome. 


http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/



The "principle" behind identification laws is that they tend to suppress the number of minorities that vote. This is why they are so popular with the redneck element.

If there is actual evidence of voter fraud it would be interesting to see it however it doesn't actually appear to exist. Except in Trumps tweets of course.

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  #1696860 31-Dec-2016 17:18
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Funny that the only couple of reports of "voter fraud" were Trump supporters trying to vote twice. One of the reasons this person gave was "she voted twice because she was afraid her vote for Donald Trump would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton." (The Guardian).





 

 

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  #1696910 31-Dec-2016 20:57
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Apparently Democrats reduced unemployment, made healthcare more accessible to the poorest and middle-class and improved minimum wage. Exactly what Republicans don't want.

 

 

Exactly. In NZ, if you govern, you will pass any laws or changes that you want. NZ Govts take ownership, as thy do what they like, and fair play, they ARE the Govt.

 

In the US, the Democrats don't have that mandate as the Senate and Upper House are Republican. It is NOT a Government as they cannot govern.


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  #1696918 31-Dec-2016 21:30
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freitasm:

 

Apparently Democrats reduced unemployment, made healthcare more accessible to the poorest and middle-class and improved minimum wage. Exactly what Republicans don't want.

 

 

Exactly. In NZ, if you govern, you will pass any laws or changes that you want. NZ Govts take ownership, as thy do what they like, and fair play, they ARE the Govt.

 

In the US, the Democrats don't have that mandate as the Senate and Upper House are Republican. It is NOT a Government as they cannot govern.

 

 

Rubbish

 

MMP has ensured that even this current government cannot pass unpopular legislation, that is exactly why the resource management act has not been simplified. In fact National has been ham strung significantly over the last 8 years cause it has in effect been a minority government.


 
 
 
 


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  #1696923 31-Dec-2016 21:46
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End of the day there are two viewpoints.

 

1. Trump is a liar and its all fluff, that's me

 

2. Trump is shining the nuke button, and he will crash the world, nuke or no nuke.

 

Lets wait till Feb 2017


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  #1696924 31-Dec-2016 21:48
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tdgeek:

 

freitasm:

 

Apparently Democrats reduced unemployment, made healthcare more accessible to the poorest and middle-class and improved minimum wage. Exactly what Republicans don't want.

 

 

Exactly. In NZ, if you govern, you will pass any laws or changes that you want. NZ Govts take ownership, as thy do what they like, and fair play, they ARE the Govt.

 

In the US, the Democrats don't have that mandate as the Senate and Upper House are Republican. It is NOT a Government as they cannot govern.

 

 

Rubbish

 

MMP has ensured that even this current government cannot pass unpopular legislation, that is exactly why the resource management act has not been simplified. In fact National has been ham strung significantly over the last 8 years cause it has in effect been a minority government.

 

 

Clarify instead if using rubbish rhetoric.

 

They have a majority, so what they vote for, wins. If there was a moral vote, the party members are allowed to vote for the other side. 

 

If its a minority Govt, tell me the seat count.


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  #1696925 31-Dec-2016 21:50
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Som people need to get off there high horses and discuss, or provide refs to back up their rhetoric anger

 

Im still waiting for the minority Govt ref


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  #1696926 31-Dec-2016 21:51
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Yeah the NZ government can. It's a coalition government and if they have the numbers they can pass any legislation they want.

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  #1696929 31-Dec-2016 21:55
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gzt: Yeah the NZ government can. It's a coalition government and if they have the numbers they can pass any legislation they want.

 

Apparently that's rubbish. I'm so over interesting topics that some users get angry to the point of being nasty. Only the other day I decided to avoid such topics, as there is so much angst, so much Im right your an idiot. The topic gets lost in individual arguments.

 

I may stick to the treads that are about tyres.....   


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  #1696931 31-Dec-2016 22:01
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

I may stick to the treads that are about tyres.....   

 

 

 

 

Ooooh, don't go there... Tyres create ALL sorts of dramas!!! 


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  #1696954 31-Dec-2016 22:59
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Yeah I can see how you feel that way. Now we are on the NZ govt, thread could be closed until next time someone feels the need. But before that happens let's wrap this up:

- National has 60 seats out of 121
- The Speaker votes
- National Govt hamstrung by relying on an Act majority? ahem.

Key made his decisions and those got him elected three times.

Edit: removed unnecessary 'Bwahahaha' from last bullet point.

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  #1696956 31-Dec-2016 23:11
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tdgeek:

 

gzt: Yeah the NZ government can. It's a coalition government and if they have the numbers they can pass any legislation they want.

 

Apparently that's rubbish. I'm so over interesting topics that some users get angry to the point of being nasty. Only the other day I decided to avoid such topics, as there is so much angst, so much Im right your an idiot. The topic gets lost in individual arguments.

 

I may stick to the treads that are about tyres.....   

 

 

 

 

"Treads about tyres" surely? smile






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