Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#3112734 7-Aug-2023 11:18

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quickymart: Panic at the courthouse (?) part 2: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/06/trump-venue-change-jan-6-case-00110006

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#3112752 7-Aug-2023 12:03

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The Simpsons lawyer Lionel_Hutz is a better lawyer than any Trump could hire

Trump's already burned every lawyer that could actually keep him out of jail.

Remember folks: lawyers tend not to work for clients who don't pay.

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#3112754 7-Aug-2023 12:12

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kingdragonfly: Please, let him get contempt of court, and thrown in jail early.

Contempt of court in the US is extremely nasty, the judge can do whatever they want to you until such time as they deem the contempt to have ended, and AFAIK there's no way to appeal it. It's usually applied to things like the defendant arguing with the judge where they get some judicial slap upside the head, but if you decide to go full retard on it then it's an end-run around the usual judicial processes that you really don't want to get into.

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#3112805 7-Aug-2023 12:25

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kingdragonfly: Trump's already burned every lawyer that could actually keep him out of jail.

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#3112851 7-Aug-2023 14:13

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Deliciously naughty speculative question: What if the judge (any judge) does get fed up and cites him for contempt? I see visions of angry hordes descending on his properties and probably federal courthouses and other government buildings to 'defend' him and stage torchlight rallies. What happens then?

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#3112861 7-Aug-2023 15:13

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Rikkitic:
Deliciously naughty speculative question: What if the judge (any judge) does get fed up and cites him for contempt? I see visions of angry hordes descending on his properties and probably federal courthouses and other government buildings to 'defend' him and stage torchlight rallies. What happens then?

It would be another stress-test of the justice system.

If law and justice prevails and torches and pitchforks mob loses, it means the US can survive a cult of personality.

If not ... well ... I'd guess evangelists would see it as a sign of the imminent apocalypse, and they may not be far off.

It would be a moot point as both sides are heavily armed. It's easier to defend than to lay siege and take a prisoner alive, not destroying the building.

Of course, German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said "That which does not kill us makes us stronger."

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From ( https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-flips-hellishly-bizarre-social-044436787.html ) this guy actually makes a good point:

Also: De Santis says Trump needs to stop banging on about non-existent 2020 election fraud, or the Republican party will lose next year: https://www.axios.com/2023/08/07/desantis-nbc-trump-2024

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#3113073 8-Aug-2023 08:35

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Another Trump fail ...

Reuters - Judge dismisses Trump's defamation claim against E. Jean Carroll

NEW YORK, Aug 7 (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Monday dismissed Donald Trump's defamation counterclaim against the writer E. Jean Carroll, handing a fresh legal defeat to the former president as he seeks another White House term.

U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan in Manhattan said Carroll's statements, made on CNN the day after she won a $5 million jury verdict against Trump for defamation and sexual abuse, were at least "substantially true," and Trump failed to show she made them with actual malice. ...

Trump, 77, filed his counterclaim in a second defamation lawsuit by Carroll, who is seeking at least $10 million.

A trial is scheduled for Jan. 15, 2024.

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#3113093 8-Aug-2023 09:28

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Donald Trump may soon be indicted by a grand jury in Georgia’s Fulton county for his campaign’s attempt to overturn Joe Biden’s victory in the state three years ago :

EDIT: The NY Times - Georgia Grand Jury Likely to Hear Trump Case Next Week

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quickymart:
From ( https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-flips-hellishly-bizarre-social-044436787.html

Imagine a personality as a dunking booth, and falling in the water tank and doing something against your own self-interest.

Trump's button booth would have a two meter wide button near the toes of the thrower, and the ball would be a bowling ball.

He has so predictable.

His relation with Judge Tanya Chutkan is going to be self-destructive. She's

a woman
Jamaican-born
in a powerful position
telling him what he can and can't do (in his mind)

It's not whether he'll admit guilt in court under oath, it is a matter of when.

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#3113221 8-Aug-2023 12:27

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A Few Good Men, Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholas come to mind.

Except it will be the Prosecuting Counsel saying to Trump - 'You can't handle the truth'.

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#3113277 8-Aug-2023 12:56

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The crazier Trump gets, the more I have hope that people will just get sick and tired of him. At some point one just has enough of him being constantly at the centre of media attention. Apart from the fanatics, people will get fed up and want to move on to things that matter. I said Trump was dumb, but his current behaviour makes him even dumber than I thought. He is stuck in the developmental stage of infancy and has zero impulse control. He can't contain himself and the ambulance chasers he now has for lawyers are being forced to defend ridiculous positions. Anyone who listens to John Lauro's pretzel rationalisations almost has to feel sorry for him. I wonder when he will also just sigh and walk away.

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#3113281 8-Aug-2023 13:05

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Rikkitic:...I wonder when he will also just sigh and walk away.

Tr*mp just "Sprays and walks away!"

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msukiwi: Trump just "Sprays and walks away!"

Brays and walks away?

Anyway, what seems to have become apparent over the last few indictments (great word, love it) is that Trump, in Court surroundings, is meek and self-effacing. His demeanor in those situations has been typical of every loudmouthed, but deep-down gutless, bully who's been called to account and deprived of his platform and circle of toadies. It wouldn't surprise me if he stayed that way, even if arrested and detained until trial, something that seems to be increasingly likely.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#3113457 8-Aug-2023 15:57

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geekIT: Brays and walks away?

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