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  #1697042 1-Jan-2017 10:06
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Fred99:

 

The post where "jimson" attempts to discredit all opinion contrary to his own by making bold statements about how uneducated we all are?

 

 

 

 

If that was your "take away"  from all that I said, do I really need to say anything else.  :)

 

 


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  #1697045 1-Jan-2017 10:21
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gzt:
JimsonWeed:

blakamin: I'm gunna need some of this weed that this dude is smoking...

*May be a lie depends on who you ask or voted for apparently*


Huh?


I Interpreted the first paragraph to mean that your posts are very long and digressive and contain multiple tracks tangential to the topic.

For instance, from your previous post we learned that immigration is the cause of more meeting requests.

Lastly, in a previous post you asked for some references that were acceptable to you and freitasm responded with a graph from the US Bureau of Statistics. You appeared to ignore that post enitrely and did not comment on it. Then in a subsequent post you are asking for references again.


Don't go coming on in here with your verifiable facts. We don't go for none of that logic malarkey round these parts.

 
 
 
 


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  #1697046 1-Jan-2017 10:29
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JimsonWeed: Have any of you ever studied under the higher education system in the US at schools such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Rice, UCLA, etc.?

Taking as an example, the many comments about Trump, there are already plenty of alumni of your named institutions making those objections also.

Perhaps you would like to go further and suggest a degree from one of those institutions should be required to vote? ; )

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  #1697047 1-Jan-2017 10:32
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gzt:
JimsonWeed:

 

Please pardon me if this post comes off a little Grrr but, someone tripped a trigger with an incredibly poor comment.

 


Maybe it would be better to reply to that post?

 

Not in this case.  I thought it would be construed as a personal attack on someone in particular and thought it to be in better to form to address the issue from a higher level of abstraction.  That's why I posted the references related to the fallacies of logic.  If people would take 5 minutes to read what these are, I really think they would understand. 

 

Here ->  http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm

 

Fallacies are fake or deceptive arguments, arguments that prove nothing. Fallacies often seem superficially sound, and they far too often retain immense persuasive power even after being clearly exposed as false. Fallacies are not always deliberate, but a good scholar’s purpose is always to identify and unmask fallacies in arguments. Note that many of these definitions overlap, but the goal here is to identify contemporary and classic fallacies as they are used in today's discourse. Effort has been made to avoid mere word-games (e.g., "The Fallacist's Fallacy," or the famous "Crocodile's Paradox" of classic times), or the so-called "fallacies" of purely formal, symbolic, or business and financial logic.  No claim is made to "academic rigor" in this listing.

 

These basic fallacies will help you understand how people will use faulty logic to achieve an objective.  Read it, then go back and read any news article, advertisement, comment, or whatever, and you will see real fast where you are being fed a line of bullsh*t on a daily basis.  Seriously.. it's an eye-opener and it's one of the foundations of legal argument.  If you want to go into the real meaty part of logic, there are plenty of textbooks written on this subject.  The site I referenced is a "general use" listing.


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  #1697049 1-Jan-2017 10:35
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At the end of the day, Trump will be President.

He may or may not be good at the job. Endless ranting or polite debate both serve no great purpose in changing that.

Best devote the energy to building your post apocalypse bunker instead, just in case.





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  #1697053 1-Jan-2017 10:39
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JimsonWeed:

 

I have to ask this again.... Are any of you actually American by birth... lived there, voted there, traveled around and gotten to know the various regions and the little idiosyncrasies which set each region apart from the others?  Have any of you ever studied under the higher education system in the US at schools such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Rice, UCLA, etc.?  

 

 

I have stayed out of this because I am on the road and typing on my device is a pain, especially when I need to shorten excess verbiage in a quote but I borrowed a laptop just for this.

 

I spent 23 years in the USA which I believe qualifies me according to your criteria to comment on this and any other election. I will be generous and assume your dismissive remarks do not apply to my contributions. On the basis of my long experience with that country, I would say that a lot of the comments on this thread are well-informed, incisive, and correct. They are also brief, a point worth thinking about.

 

 

 

 





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  #1697057 1-Jan-2017 10:46
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gzt:
JimsonWeed: Have any of you ever studied under the higher education system in the US at schools such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Rice, UCLA, etc.?

Taking as an example, the many comments about Trump, there are already plenty of alumni of your named institutions making those objections also.

Perhaps you would like to go further and suggest a degree from one of those institutions should be required to vote? ; )

 

Why would I suggest something such as that?  I don't care if people want to remain ignorant and unwashed.  :)  I can only offer sources of knowledge to help them.  It's up them as to whether or not they use it or simply tinkle on it and walk away.  Shoot, we should all just peel off our clothes, build fires, dance in the moonlight, and tell each other tales of the gods!   Argh... bring back the dark ages!  Let the sword determine who will be King! 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1697061 1-Jan-2017 10:55
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gzt:
JimsonWeed:

 

I Interpreted the first paragraph to mean that your posts are very long and digressive and contain multiple tracks tangential to the topic.

For instance, from your previous post we learned that immigration is the cause of more meeting requests.

Lastly, in a previous post you asked for some references that were acceptable to you and freitasm responded with a graph from the US Bureau of Statistics. You appeared to ignore that post enitrely and did not comment on it. Then in a subsequent post you are asking for references again.

 

 

 

You got all that from;

 

blakamin: I'm gunna need some of this weed that this dude is smoking...

*May be a lie depends on who you ask or voted for apparently*

 

 

 

 

1: Damn... you're good :)

 

2: Immigration is the cause of meeting requests...  :)  Cute

 

3: I saw the graph but what did the "picture" actually say?  I have no idea.  I don't recall seeing any context around it at all. 

 

4: I read a post a few moments ago where @tdgeek was asking someone to provide a reference on something also.  So, it's not uncommon to ask someone to prove something in question  .

 

 


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  #1697065 1-Jan-2017 11:04
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Rikkitic:

 

JimsonWeed:

 

I have to ask this again.... Are any of you actually American by birth... lived there, voted there, traveled around and gotten to know the various regions and the little idiosyncrasies which set each region apart from the others?  Have any of you ever studied under the higher education system in the US at schools such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Rice, UCLA, etc.?  

 

 

I have stayed out of this because I am on the road and typing on my device is a pain, especially when I need to shorten excess verbiage in a quote but I borrowed a laptop just for this.

 

I spent 23 years in the USA which I believe qualifies me according to your criteria to comment on this and any other election. I will be generous and assume your dismissive remarks do not apply to my contributions. On the basis of my long experience with that country, I would say that a lot of the comments on this thread are well-informed, incisive, and correct. They are also brief, a point worth thinking about.

 

 

 

 

By all means, I'd love to hear from you.  And I agree... some comments are well-stated and correct - absolutely!  As far as my remarks are concerned, they weren't dismissive.  They were instead more qualifying.  For example, if I never lived in China, could I really discuss China unless I had studied it?  Parroting someone else without reference is useless and I sense that you know this.  :)   So... while we agree there are some really good comments, we should also be able to agree that it's chock full of inflammatory remarks and personal labeling.  Go back to page 1 of this thread and read it through - you will see.  Just as my "dismissive remarks" ruffled people's feathers... so do these labels and unsubstantiated claims ruffle the feathers of others.

 

Thank you for that segue :)


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  #1697066 1-Jan-2017 11:06
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Fred99:

 

JimsonWeed:

 

Do you also realise that the "Kiwi" identity is slowly being diluted as a result of the influx of foreigners immigrating here. 

 

 

Damn it Jimson - the master race is under threat eh?

 

 


It depends... are you talking about the indigenous Maori or the Northern European immigrants?  "Kiwi" is not a bloodline... it's an identity  :)


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  #1697070 1-Jan-2017 11:09
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Handle9:

Don't go coming on in here with your verifiable facts. We don't go for none of that logic malarkey round these parts.

 

 

 

Hahahahaha!!!  Love it  :)


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  #1697073 1-Jan-2017 11:15
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freitasm:

JimsonWeed:


freitasm:


Apparently Democrats reduced unemployment, made healthcare more accessible to the poorest and middle-class and improved minimum wage. Exactly what Republicans don't want.



With all due respect, can you cite your sources? [Snip]


If you have sources other than the Huffington Post or Fox News, by all means, share it.



Unemployment rate in the USA is now lower than when Obama started - 50% lower actually. If you look at the charts you will see who was in charge when unemployment went up. Go on, make your own charts here (US Bureau of Statistics).



Uninsured population is now the lowest in eight years, according to Gallup. You can play with numbers from KFF.org here.




JimsonWeed: 3: I saw the graph but what did the "picture" actually say? I have no idea. I don't recall seeing any context around it at all.

Freitasm made a specific claim in relation to that graph. It was very clear.

The second required a mental paste of U.S administrations onto the y axis to evaluate ; )

The third was about insurance.

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  #1697089 1-Jan-2017 11:35
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gzt:
freitasm:

 

JimsonWeed:

 

freitasm:

 

Apparently Democrats reduced unemployment, made healthcare more accessible to the poorest and middle-class and improved minimum wage. Exactly what Republicans don't want.

 

 

With all due respect, can you cite your sources? [Snip]

 

If you have sources other than the Huffington Post or Fox News, by all means, share it.

 

 

Unemployment rate in the USA is now lower than when Obama started - 50% lower actually. If you look at the charts you will see who was in charge when unemployment went up. Go on, make your own charts here (US Bureau of Statistics).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Uninsured population is now the lowest in eight years, according to Gallup. You can play with numbers from KFF.org here.

 



[Pending..]

 

 

 

Excellent!  Now examine this statement; "Unemployment rate in the USA is now lower than when Obama started - 50% lower actually".  The graph is real, absolutely, yep, yep, yep... completely agree.  BUT, it does not provide one iota of evidence that the unemployment rate is lower as a result of Obama's actions.  That is exactly what I was talking about when I said, "Correlation does not imply causation".  It is false logic.  Just because two events appear related, it does not mean that they are related.  Here we go again... cite the source that proves the two are related.  :) 

 

The original discussion was;

 

freitasm:

 

Apparently Democrats reduced unemployment, made healthcare more accessible to the poorest and middle-class and improved minimum wage. Exactly what Republicans don't want.

 

 

JimsonWeed

 

With all due respect, can you cite your sources? [Snip]

 

If you have sources other than the Huffington Post or Fox News, by all means, share it.

 

 

A pretty picture next to an unattached statement does not quite cut the mustard, bruh :)   I could just have easily say that my brother Bob went to America and as a result, the Unemployment rate is now lower.  Gee, Bob must have worked wonders :)   *chuckle*  I'll bet a light just went on in your head.  You get the point now.  We didn't even address the comment; "Exactly what Republicans don't want".  Well now.. that is mighty clairvoyant to know the hearts and minds of all Republicans.  I wonder if Ms Cleo has a role open on the Psychic Friends Network :)

 

 

 

 


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  #1697090 1-Jan-2017 12:00
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gzt: Bizzare. I only checked one source and it said passports or drivers licences. If that's true they will have to change it. Some enormous % of UK does not have or need a DL. An effect of high density in many areas.

Same high density areas probably. Yeah this is going to cause problems for sure. Unbelievable.

Edit: removed link to an article. Posting too late at night to read it properly and check sources.

 

 

 

I personally would require a passport to be presented at the booth, to be exchanged for a voting paper. At the same time, a stamp  saying "Voted 2017" or whatever could be put in the passport. A DL lacks any form of biometrics at the moment so is too easy to forge.

 

The main issues in the UK I have seen reported revolve around postal voting and certain 'religious' enclaves.

 

Postal voting should be banned, with online voting using one time log-ons or something to replace it.






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  #1697100 1-Jan-2017 12:06
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Geektastic:

 

I personally would require a passport to be presented at the booth, to be exchanged for a voting paper. At the same time, a stamp  saying "Voted 2017" or whatever could be put in the passport. A DL lacks any form of biometrics at the moment so is too easy to forge.

 

The main issues in the UK I have seen reported revolve around postal voting and certain 'religious' enclaves.

 

Postal voting should be banned, with online voting using one time log-ons or something to replace it.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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