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  #3144649 9-Oct-2023 15:48
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'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

 

'If you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.' Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'

 

 


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  #3144715 9-Oct-2023 21:03
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A convenient list of Trump people who changed their minds after they discovered what he was really like.

 

 





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  #3144720 9-Oct-2023 21:12
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From the "law-and-order" party, a president who gives mob bosses a bad name.

Washington Post: A catalogue of Trump’s attacks on judges, prosecutors and witnesses

The judge in Donald Trump’s New York civil fraud trial delivered a moment on Tuesday that Trump had spent months, if not years, courting: a gag order limiting his ability to attack those deciding his legal fate.

Judge Arthur Engoron barred Trump from making public comments about members of Engoron’s staff. The ruling came after Trump made a baseless claim about an Engoron staffer’s romantic connections. The ruling wasn’t explicitly aimed at Trump and will apply to all parties, but Engoron made clear this was about a comment Trump posted that day on social media. Engoron said he ordered the post deleted, and Trump’s post was removed from his Truth Social page.

The substance of the post was altogether familiar; it wasn’t the first time Trump had circulated a baseless rumor about the love life of a key figure in his legal proceedings.
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  #3144880 10-Oct-2023 10:56
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Unless Trump threatens someone, and get pulled up in front of a judge, it looks like all quiet on the western front.

CBS News: Special counsel accuses Trump lawyers of making "distorted and exaggerated" claims in bid to delay documents trial

Special counsel Jack Smith and his team of prosecutors accused lawyers for former President Donald Trump of making "distorted and exaggerated" claims about their access to classified information as part of their bid to delay the scheduled May 2024 trial in the federal case involving the former president's handling of sensitive government records after leaving office.

In a new filing submitted Monday, the special counsel urged [Trump appointee] U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to deny Trump's request to delay the trial until after the November 2024 presidential election, arguing his lawyers failed to provide a "credible justification" for doing so.

"Their unfounded claims of Government noncompliance with discovery obligations do not support their request," federal prosecutors working with Smith wrote. "Their claims about their inability to review classified information are distorted and exaggerated."

Justice Department lawyers said the "vast majority" of classified material collected during the course of the government's investigation is available to Trump and his two co-defendants, aide Walt Nauta and Mar-a-Lago property manager Carlos De Oliveira. Smith and his team also argued that the defense's claims about the unclassified information collected during the probe are "inaccurate."

"The defendants have repeatedly distorted the comprehensive, organized, and timely unclassified discovery that the Government has produced, in service of an attack on the promptness and thoroughness of the productions and an allegation that the Government is in 'ongoing non-compliance,'" prosecutors wrote. "The facts prove otherwise."

Trump's lawyers asked Cannon last week to delay the trial, currently set to begin May 20, until after election
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Trump has pleaded not guilty to 40 charges stemming from his alleged mishandling of sensitive records recovered from his South Florida resort, Mar-a-Lago, after leaving office in January 2021.

In their filing opposing Trump's request, Justice Department lawyers noted that they have turned over more than 1.1 million pages of unclassified documents and all surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago obtained before May.
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  #3144950 10-Oct-2023 14:11
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Following reports of several prominent Florida users who have become totally deranged following its use, doctors believe that a popular tanning solution can seriously damage the brain.





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  #3144961 10-Oct-2023 14:48
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Trump had previously said Jews in the United States must “get their act together” and show more appreciation for the state of Israel “before it is too late.”

Very recently said he "easily" be Israel's prime minister

Even on the same day as the attack, he wasn't showing much appreciation for Israel himself. It was about the same level of callous lack of empathy he had on the same day as the "September 1" attack.

Politico: What war? Trump is busy talking about whales, weightlifting and the Patriots

In a weekend filled with politicians offering criticisms and condemnations over the state of the world, Donald Trump on Monday had a few.

For the
  • Wall Street Journal editorial page (“globalists”)
  • for windmills (“we see whales washing up on shore”)
  • for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (“He’s fallen like a wounded bird from the skies”)
  • his indictments (“a great badge of honor”)
  • for transgender athletes (“Have you seen the weightlifting records?”)
  • even for one of the region’s most cherished institutions: the New England Patriots (“not a good game” Sunday).
The attack on Israel may have been consuming much of official Washington. at Trump's rally Monday, it was not topic one, two or even 13.

In all, it took Trump over an hour to spend any significant amount of time discussing the fighting that erupted in the Middle East following the murder of an estimated 900 Israelis. Reading from a teleprompter, Trump blamed President Joe Biden for “tossing Israel to the bloodthirsty terrorists,” for reengaging diplomatically with Iran and for not doing enough to support Israel’s president, Benjamin Netanyahu.

“Less than four years ago, we had peace in the Middle East,” Trump said. “Today we have an all-out war in Israel and it’s gonna spread quickly. What a difference a president makes. Isn’t it amazing?”
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  #3144971 10-Oct-2023 15:36
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This is quite accurate:

 


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  #3145026 10-Oct-2023 19:29
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I think there should be less talk (writing) about Trump and more action. Judge Engoron is doing the right thing - done and out, no matter what the spoiled brat has to complain about.





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  #3145157 11-Oct-2023 07:26
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During the Florida classified document case, a nasty trap awaits Trump and 25 witnesses, including family members. The 25 have claimed they didn't lie, or withhold information, because it was "privileged communications" with their lawyers.

Trump is expected to point the finger of blame at lawyers, saying it was their fault; they told him it was OK.

Classic Trump move: throwing others under the bus to save himself.

Except if he does attempt to deflect blame, to avoid consequences like jail time, he would invalidate his witnesses claim of lawyer "privileged communications" / "advice-of-counsel" defense.

Meaning the prosecutor Jack Smith will argue that Trump said it was the lawyers fault: it would invalidate the "advice-of-counsel" defense, and force the 25 witnesses, lawyers to turn over all communications between them and their clients, which includes family members.

Nasty :)

I'm sure his lawyers will tell him NOT to use "advice-of-counsel" defense while testifying, but it may be too late. I'm sure there's no shortage of him already blaming lawyers for leading him astray on TV, or posting it on social media.

Politico: Prosecutors: 25 witnesses claimed attorney-client privilege in federal probe of Trump’s election subversion

About 25 witnesses in Donald Trump’s Washington, D.C., criminal case — including a family member of the former president — withheld information from special counsel Jack Smith’s team by citing attorney-client privilege, the special counsel revealed Tuesday.

In a 14-page filing, Smith’s team indicated that those witnesses described maintaining legal confidences with Trump or his campaign that barred them from sharing certain testimony or documents related to the investigation of Trump’s effort to subvert the 2020 election.

But Smith’s team says Trump himself may end up invalidating many of those claims if he chooses to argue during trial that his actions in 2020 were based on the advice of his lawyers. If he does, prosecutors say, they have a right to probe any privileged communications related to that defense.

As a result, Smith is urging U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan to require Trump to disclose his intention to raise the so-called “advice-of-counsel” defense by Dec. 18, far enough in advance of trial for prosecutors to mount any additional investigation.
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  #3145159 11-Oct-2023 07:34
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Washington Post: A tantalizing detail in a new Trump legal filing

Donald Trump’s many legal problems have led to a veritable fire hose of often-mundane, procedural court filings. But occasionally, there’s a nugget that catches your eye.

Such was the case Monday, in the government’s latest filing in Trump’s classified documents case.

While arguing against the motion by Trump’s lawyers to delay the May 20 trial, special counsel Jack Smith’s lawyers assured they’re ready to go and that such a delay isn’t necessary, unsurprisingly. But they also said they are ready to prove something significant that, to this point, has remained shrouded and the subject of much speculation: why Trump allegedly took and kept the documents.

“That the classified materials at issue in this case were taken from the White House and retained at Mar-a-Lago is not in dispute,” Smith’s office said.

It then added that “what is in dispute is how that occurred, why it occurred, what Trump knew, and what Trump intended in retaining them — all issues that the Government will prove at trial primarily with unclassified evidence.”
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The most significant document in the indictment deals with a plan for attacking Iran, which Trump allegedly showed to a writer and a publisher. A recording of the scene has been made public.

The document and recording are significant because they show Trump acknowledging, in real time, that the document is classified and that he never declassified it — contrary to his public suggestions about the documents. (Trump had also initially said the document didn’t exist and that his talk was mere bravado — before Smith’s team added the actual alleged document to a superseding indictment.)

But they’re also significant because they showed Trump actually apparently using the documents for a purpose: in the service of going after a target of his ire, his chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark A. Milley.

“I just found, isn’t that amazing?” Trump said in the recording. “This totally wins my case, you know.”

The New Yorker had reported in July 2021 that Milley had feared Trump would start a war with Iran to stay in power; here was Trump, less than a week later, using an allegedly classified document to argue that it was actually Milley who was trigger-happy.

A similar scene was later recounted in Trump White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows’s book — though the book merely cites Trump having recalled such a document rather than actually showing it off.

Meadows’s book wrote unflatteringly about Milley’s “plan to attack Iran, deploying massive numbers of troops, something he urged President Trump to do more than once during his presidency. President Trump denied those requests every time.”

To the extent Trump used a classified document to go after a critic, that could suggest he saw value in the documents beyond just keeping them or showing them off to burnish his ego.

(Milley has said he never recommended attacking Iran, and such documents are often drawn up as contingencies.)
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  #3145266 11-Oct-2023 11:36
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Of course your military plans for contingencies, revises and updates them. 
May even wargame them etc.
The first question asked when something unexpected happens is 'why did you not have a plan', 'why was response so slow' 
(Cos you did not have even basics of a plan).

 

They can also show the harsh realites and dissuade certain actions. Options and counter options.
It seems this paper may have highlighted the reality of massive force to take on Iran directly, so not a good idea.
No doubt other papers also raised options of responses if Iran attacked a neighbour, shipping, or USA Navy directly.

 

By all accounts Trump loved to hear about the awesome power of the Military, and pretty much ignored more nuanced intelligence information.
Can we have a giant parade with all the tanks and mobile missiles like other dictatorships do.
All for me! 

 

In a dictatorship this is warped into 3 days and then a parade. 
Cos like Trump's accountants you give the supreme leader what he wants to hear.


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  #3145340 11-Oct-2023 13:08
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'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

 

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  #3145445 11-Oct-2023 17:45
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Trump’s 40 Biggest Broken Promises

 

 

1. He said coronavirus would “go away without a vaccine.”

 

2. He said he won’t have time to play golf if elected president.

 

3. He said he would repeal the Affordable Care Act.

 

4. He said he’d cut taxes.

 

5. He said corporations would use their tax cuts to invest in American workers.

 

6. He said he would boost economic growth by 4 percent a year.

 

7. He said he wouldn’t cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid.

 

8. He promised to be the voice of American workers.

 

9. He promised that the average American family would see a $4,000 pay raise.

 

10. He promised that anyone who wants a test for COVID will get one.

 

11. He said hydroxychloroquine protects against coronavirus.

 

12. He promised to eliminate the federal deficit. 

 

13. He said he would hire “only the best people.”

 

14. He promised to bring down the price of prescription drugs.

 

15. He promised to revive the struggling coal industry.

 

16. He promised to help American workers during the pandemic.

 

17. He said he’d drain the swamp. 

 

18. He promised to protect Americans with pre-existing conditions. 

 

19. He said Mexico would pay for his border wall. 

 

20. He promised to bring peace to the Middle East.

 

21. He promised to lock up Hillary Clinton for using a private email server. 

 

22. He promised to use his business experience to whip the federal government into shape.

 

23. He promised to end DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals).

 

24. He promised six weeks of paid maternity leave.

 

25. He promised to bring an end to Kim Jong Un’s nuclear program.

 

26. He said he would distance himself from his businesses while in office.

 

27. He said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America.

 

28. He promised to end the opioid crisis. 

 

29. He said he’d release his tax returns.

 

30. He promised to tear up the Iran nuclear deal and renegotiate a better deal. 

 

31. He promised to enact term limits for all members of Congress. 

 

32. He promised that China would pay for tariffs on imported goods.

 

33. He promised to cut the cost of college tuition.

 

34. He promised to protect American steel jobs.

 

35. He promised that tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations would spur economic growth and pay for themselves. 

 

36. After pulling out of the Paris climate accord, he said he’d negotiate a better deal on the environment. 

 

37. He promised to sue the many women who accused him of sexual misconduct.

 

38. He promised to bring back all troops from Afghanistan. (He passed the buck to Biden.)

 

39. He pledged to put America first. 

 

40. He promised to be the voice of the common people. 

 





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  #3145460 11-Oct-2023 18:49
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Trump’s 40 Biggest Broken Promises

 

 

He has not broken his promises - he has merely been interrupted by Joe in doing so! 😆

 

 





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