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  #3157500 9-Nov-2023 08:59
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Another gem from Raw Story :

 

Raw Story - Ivanka Trump's testimony allows prosecutors to introduce 'damning' loan documents

 

08 Oct 2023

 


Former president Donald Trump's eldest daughter testified Wednesday that she did not recall nearly any of the loan terms or negotiations, even when shown email conversations she took part in at the time, but her participation in those communications allowed prosecutors to enter those documents as evidence the judge may consider ...

 

The Trump Organization was unable to secure favorable loan terms for Doral in Florida through commercial real estate lenders or private equity firms, so they turned to Rosemary Vrablic of Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management group.

 

Unable to find financing with acceptable interest rates, Ivanka was rescued by Rosemary Vrablic, who offered an interest rate that was almost too good to be true in exchange for two key variables: a personal guarantee from Donald Trump and a minimum net worth of $2-3 billion, exclusive of the estimated value of his brand ... 

 

These were not incidental to Deutsche Bank’s decision to lend; they were, in fact, instrumental to that decision.

 

Ivanka Trump seemed to recognize the terms were almost too good to be true, because she said in an internal Trump Organization email in December 2011 that "it doesn't get better than this."

 



 

EDIT   Deutsche Bank supposedly requested that the Trump family appear in a promotional video for the bank's business.   😏

 

see also: MSNBC - LIVE UPDATES: Ivanka Trump testifies in New York civil fraud case





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  #3157518 9-Nov-2023 10:12
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I'm surprised that German Government allows Deutsche Banks to operate given its history of corruption.
Given scandals at the bank there is surely something pervading more of their business dealings.
Trump rescue when no one else wanted to deal with him except under very favorable conditions smells.

 

Is Deutsche Bank Corrupt? — Why the Financial Institution Was Raided
Not to anyone's surprise, Deutsche Bank has once again been raided by authorities over money laundering suspicions. Is the bank corrupt?
https://marketrealist.com/p/is-deutsche-bank-corrupt/

 

Deutsche Bank's biggest scandals
Henrik Böhme
09/20/2020September 20, 2020
The FinCEN Files investigation has revealed that top Deutsche Bank executives knew the bank could be used for money laundering. 
The news is the latest in a long line of scandals from Germany's largest bank.
https://www.dw.com/en/deutsche-banks-biggest-scandals/a-54979535

 

Deutsche Bank Will Pay $125 Million Over Bribery Violations
The German lender will enter a deferred prosecution agreement to resolve charges stemming from its attempts to win business in several countries.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/business/deutsche-bank-bribery-charges.html

 

If we had a major bank that had 1/10th the issues it would be the whole country sailing up the corruption index and all hell to pay for us.


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  #3157519 9-Nov-2023 10:12
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Looks like Rosemary Vrablic was pretty shady. Now there's a surprise.

 

Trump's Banker at Deutsche Bank Ousted Over Real Estate Deal - The New York Times (nytimes.com)


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  #3157528 9-Nov-2023 11:03
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Another gem from Raw Story :


Raw Story - Ivanka Trump's testimony allows prosecutors to introduce 'damning' loan documents



"Unable to find financing with acceptable interest rates, Ivanka was rescued by Rosemary Vrablic, who offered an interest rate that was almost too good to be true in exchange for two key variables: a personal guarantee from Donald Trump and a minimum net worth of $2-3 billion, exclusive of the estimated value of his brand," Rubin reported. "These were not incidental to Deutsche Bank’s decision to lend; they were, in fact, instrumental to that decision."

I wonder if any cases could use the same evidence?

He has no shortage of enemies, especially among his far-weather friends, where he could soon outlive his usefulness.

While his children may not die penniless, I'd bet any future in politics are dashed upon the rocks.

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  #3157572 9-Nov-2023 12:56
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MSNBC - Rachel Maddow - Trump’s unhinged courtroom 'rambling' was designed to undermine 'the whole legal system'

 


MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, during a November 6 commentary, argues that the "chaos" he brought to Justice Arthur Engoron's courtroom was by design - as undermining U.S. institutions is part of his game plan.

 

"Chaotic, rambling, non-sequitur, out of control, insulting ... unprofessional, inappropriate testimony may not help with his case. But it does make a mockery of the legal system."

 

 

(a 4 minute video, worth watching)

 

 





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  #3157587 9-Nov-2023 14:12
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AlterNet - 'Entitled loser': Mary Trump explains how fraud case 'gets to the heart of who Donald thinks he is' 

 

08 Nov 2023

 


In conversation with Mary Trump [Donald Trump's niece], MSNBC's Deadline: White House host Nicolle Wallace pointed out Wednesday, "It seems that for all the serious crimes he's accused of, this finding of fraud against his company has him the most agitated."

 

Mary Trump replied :

 

"It is so telling, and I think people really need to understand just how this case gets to the heart of who Donald thinks he is and has been pretending to be for his entire adult life. He doesn't mind that he is going to be on trial for heading up a corrupt organization or stealing government documents or inciting an insurrection, because that gives him street cred with his base. In this case, what's happening is he is being forced to confront the possibility that he is not going to be able to get away anymore with pretending that he is a successful businessman."

 

"Now the fact that myth survived the extraordinary work that [New York Times journalists] Sue Craig and Russ Buettner did in 2018 is kind of mind-boggling. But this is happening in a much more public way, because Donald's actually there, which just goes to how extraordinarily important it is for him to try to spin this case away from the truth, which is that he is an entitled loser who did nothing but waste his father's fortune." ...

 

"I think the simplest way to put it is this: Every lie he's told, every ounce of psychic energy he's spent over the decades has been in the service of protecting him from the truth about who he is. And the closer he gets to being confronted with that truth, the more dangerous he is going to get, the more out of control he is going to get. yes, we saw some fireworks in the courtroom, but that was a mere prelude to what we can expect, especially if, hopefully, he loses in 2024."

 

 


Executive Summary:  Donald Trump has a huge ego, and it's going to destroy him (or us).  😦





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  #3157636 9-Nov-2023 14:23
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Not good news but thought it was important to show the "cons" of having Ivanka testify.

As mentioned, in a US civil case a defendant can't "plead the fifth": refusing to answer means the judge (and jury) can legally assume that silence is admission of guilt.

BBC News: Ivanka Trump testimony: Why lack of recall is a common legal strategy
The four hours of testimony from Ivanka Trump on Wednesday could almost be summarised in three words: "I don't recall".
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Ty Cobb, a lawyer who represented Mr Trump early in his presidency but has since spoken out against him, told the BBC he thought Ms Trump would have "zero impact" on the ultimate outcome.

"Her testimony has added not a single fact, as far as I can tell, other than she received one call while she was nine months pregnant," he said.

If anything, Mr Cobb said, her appearance on the stand - something she fought hard to avoid - may hurt the prosecution in the court of public opinion.

"I think it's a little bit of a dangerous decision by the attorney general, in the sense that it plays into the Trump theme of: this is just a political witch hunt," Mr Cobb said.

"Her being forced to testify, given the absence of any seemingly relevant testimony, sadly feeds into Mr Trump's fantasies," he said.

Ms Trump was the final person called to the stand by the attorney general's office. Next, the defence will be able to call their own witnesses.

Mr Trump, the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination, has already been found liable for fraud along with his two sons. All have denied wrongdoing.

This trial will decide the penalties the defendants will face.

New York Attorney General Letitia James, whose office filed the lawsuit, is seeking US $250m (NZ $422m) in fines and severe restrictions on how the Trump business operates in New York.

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  #3157698 9-Nov-2023 15:33
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Trump's disqualification from Electoral Ballot lists may yet happen.

 

I recently posted a link to a Chris Christie interview, in which he stated that, in his opinion, the chances of Trump being struck from electoral ballots because of his involvement in the January 6 Insurrection  were extremely slight. However, this very interesting conversation between prominent former Federal Judge J. Michael Luttig and MSNBC host Ali Velshi casts better light on the real meaning of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Judge Luttig says, at 2m:27s into the clip:  

 

 “It seems to me that, frankly, all parties to these different litigations in the various States, to this point, have misunderstood Section 3 of the 14th amendment.

 

 As I've said, it disqualifies one who is engaged in an insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution of the United States of America. It does not, by its terms, disqualify one who engages in an insurrection or rebellion against the United States or the authority of the United States.

 

There is a world of constitutional difference between those two.

 

It is, of course, to the former president’s advantage, for his lawyers to argue that Section 3 disqualifies anyone who engages in an insurrection or rebellion against the United States, with the authority of the United States.

 

That's not what Section 3 actually says, but in both litigations, Ali, both parties have focused on, almost exclusively, whether the attack on the United States Capitol, on January 6, constituted and insurrection or rebellion against the United States.

 

 As to be expected, the former president's lawyers have argued, Well, no, it was not an insurrection at all. If it were, the former president had nothing to do with that insurrection on the capitol.

 

 Unfortunately, at least as far as I have seen, the challengers to the president's qualifications to hold a future office have essentially bought into that wrong argument by the former president's lawyers (who) for their part, have tried to establish that the former president did not incite or participate in an insurrection against the United States.

 

The compelling case under Section 3, for the former president's disqualification, is this. His efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election and remain in power, notwithstanding that he had lost his election, constituted a rebellion against the constitution of the United States.” 5m:36s

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll4DFbHrOmA&ab_channel=MSNBC

 

 

 

 





'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

 

'If you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.' Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'

 

 


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  #3157842 10-Nov-2023 07:39
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  #3157847 10-Nov-2023 08:01
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Trump's defense gives up. You'll remember from the last act in this theatre play, Trump, whipping up minions. Cue's Trump next act, violence, instant appeal. A lonely Trump entering Ivanka's bedroom, looking for comfort, who tells him she has a headache.

ABC News: Judge to take defense's request to end trial early 'under advisement'

Former President Donald Trump is on trial in New York in a $250 million civil lawsuit that could alter the personal fortune and real estate empire that helped propel Trump to the White House.

Trump, his sons Eric Trump and and Donald Trump Jr., and Trump Organization executives are accused by New York Attorney General Letitia James of engaging in a decade-long scheme in which they used "numerous acts of fraud and misrepresentation" to inflate Trump's net worth in order get more favorable loan terms. The trial comes after the judge in the case ruled in a partial summary judgment that Trump had submitted "fraudulent valuations" for his assets, leaving the trial to determine additional actions and what penalty, if any, the defendants should receive.

The former president has denied all wrongdoing and his attorneys have argued that Trump's alleged inflated valuations were a product of his business skill.
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Trial is a 'documents case,' state lawyer says

State attorney Kevin Wallace, arguing against the defense's motion for a directed verdict to end the trial early, reiterated that the state's case relies on documents that they say incriminate Donald Trump and his adult sons.

"This is a documents case," Wallace said. "Each of the three defendants signed documents saying they were responsible for the fair presentation of the statements."

While the defendants all testified that they relied on accountants, Wallace said by way of analogy that it's like the defense saying that using an accountant absolves an individual of filing false tax returns.
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  #3157851 10-Nov-2023 08:11
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MSN: Revealed: Donald Trump's staggering legal bill claim as costs skyrocket

Not everybody is convinced this figure is correct; according to Raw Story, the $100 million total would reportedly mean Trump's lawyers are receiving more than $10 million apiece.

But filings have certainly proven the 45th has spent a fortune on his legal representation, with campaign finance reports showing he's splurged more than $12 million on lawyers since leaving the White House.

What's more, sources that spoke to The Washington Post claimed Trump's political action committee (PAC) Save America had spent more than $40 million on his legal fees in the first half of 2023.

The number later listed on the PAC's financial disclosures was much lower, but still hefty at $21.6 million.

Meanwhile, figures released earlier this month suggested Trump has spent $37 million in donor funds on his legal fees.

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  #3157864 10-Nov-2023 09:16
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Idiots donate money to that PAC.




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  #3158047 10-Nov-2023 14:23
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quickymart:  https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-trial-testimony-new-york-civil-fraud-rcna123976 >> did he really realise though?

 

 


Agreed.

 

Trump is incapable of admitting to himself (or others) that he has made an error.

 

His courtroom tantrums may have been his usual childish Narcissistic belligerence, or it may have been an attempt to discredit 'the whole legal system', as proposed by Rachel Maddow recently. 

 

Legally he has shot himself in the foot, repeatedly.  But his performance was "perfect", in his own expert opinion.   🙄

 

 





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  #3158109 10-Nov-2023 17:41
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Trump during a campaign rally in Florida on Thursday.

“They indicted me! Can you believe?

My father and mother are looking down.

‘Son, how did that happen? We’re so proud of you, son. How did that happen?'”

This is a political indictment. This was a Biden indictment. Even that stupid trial going on in New York, which has been totally discredited. Everybody’s been discredited. That all comes out of the White House.

That’s to discourage people from voting. That’s to hurt us.

The only difference is we have a big voice, we’re a very big voice. This is the greatest movement in the history of politics, and we have a great voice, and we’re not going to let them get away with it.

Every time I’m indicted, I consider it a great badge of honor because I’m being indicted for you. Thanks a lot, everybody. I appreciate it.

I’m being indicted for you, and never forget our enemies want to take away my freedom because I will never, ever, ever let them take away your freedom. I won’t let it happen.

They want to silence me because I will never let them silence you. I will never let them do it, and in the end, they’re not after me, they’re after you. I just happen to be standing in their way, and that’s true. That’s true."

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