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  #1699990 7-Jan-2017 19:16
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With the release of the intelligence reports today by all 4 of the Intel Chiefs on the election interference by Russia, surely the election has to be rerun?

 

Although it would be almost impossible to work out the actual impact of what Russia has done (massive hacking, false news etc) on the election result it is very clear that interference did occur. Trump is still being coy about the reports clearly because he does not want to admit that a foreign government assisted him in gaining power.

 

If America holds democracy to such high standards then it cannot accept the results of last years election!!

 


The report clearly states that there is no indication that voting machines or vote totals were interfered with. On that basis the election was legitimate.

 

The wording of statements and responses put out by all sides is subtle but important. The Obama administration and the intelligence agencies have never suggested that Putin or others actually tampered with votes (that is, changed the votes directly so someone appears to have voted for someone they did not). This is also clearly what Obama was referring to when he dismissed the possibility of (Trump's direct assertion) the election was 'rigged'.

 

What the Obama admin, along with intelligence agencies have been saying, since well before the election, is that Russia has been working in a coordinated and distribution fashion to both undermine the perception of fair elections in the US and to change public perception of candidates, through dissemination of mostly false information - much of which has been lapped up and spread by Trump supporting voters. This is what changed outcomes - people vote for a candide based on fake or false information they believe to be true that was in a big way helped along by a foreign government determined to influence the outcome.

 

The wikileaks info is a little different, but similar. Note that while everyone is focusing on the fact Julian Assange is adamant that his source was not Russia (and that's most likley true), the language used is subtle and important. In none of his statements has his confirmed that the source of the info provided to Wikileaks was the same person or group who originally obtained the information. Because he's basically only doing interviews with Fox News now, no one has asked him this question. It is very plausible that Russia was indeed the original source of the information, and it has provided to someone else who are ultimately the source to Wikileaks.

 

While the info provided to Wikileaks does appear to be genuine and not tampered with, much of it was released out of context, including directly misleading statements by Wikileaks themselves that were easily debunked by wider context of the email chains. Wikileaks have indeed confirmed today on Twitter that they hold a partisan political 'position', therefore anything they release, particularly any surrounding commentary, needs to be carefully examined for bias and understood in the correct context.





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  #1700091 7-Jan-2017 23:42
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  #1700100 8-Jan-2017 01:10
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He's been reading GZ!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

And is seriously deluded... How is this tool becoming POTUS?




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  #1700103 8-Jan-2017 03:35
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I guess this puts Herr Trumpy in an awkward position. If Russia's alleged meddling did indeed help him to win over Hillary, I'm sure he's grateful for anything that contributed to his win. On the other hand, it makes him look like Putin's little bitch.


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  #1700106 8-Jan-2017 07:18
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blakamin:

He's been reading GZ!!



And is seriously deluded... How is this tool becoming POTUS?


It's silly stuff but people believe it if it's their only source.

The report says it does not attempt to estimate the impact on the election. It also says that Republican Party servers were attacked as well but the information gained from those attacks was not released by the hackers:

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

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  #1700109 8-Jan-2017 07:41
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ajobbins:

 

... Russia has been working in a coordinated and distribution fashion to ... change public perception of candidates, through dissemination of mostly false information - much of which has been lapped up and spread by ... voters. This is what changed outcomes - people vote for a candide based on fake or false information they believe to be true that was in a big way helped along by a foreign government determined to influence the outcome.

 

 

If you replace "Russia" and "foreign government" with "rich and powerful people" this is the same as every election in history. The only difference is that they don't want to undermine the perception of fair elections.

 

 

 

 


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  #1700131 8-Jan-2017 09:43
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He keeps seeing this as an out him, not about the country institutions. He is not presidential material.




 

 

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  #1700132 8-Jan-2017 09:50
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freitasm: He keeps seeing this as an out him, not about the country institutions. He is not presidential material.

 

 

 

By definition this has to be incorrect. Post-20th January, he is by definition Presidential material!






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  #1700143 8-Jan-2017 10:28
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What we are seeing with Mr Trump is evidence of what I have been saying for years,  Voting for them only encourages them.





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  #1700279 8-Jan-2017 19:02
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Geektastic:

 

freitasm: He keeps seeing this as an out him, not about the country institutions. He is not presidential material.

 

 

 

By definition this has to be incorrect. Post-20th January, he is by definition Presidential material!

 

 

 

 

By Russian definition, he's probably not tough enough.

 

He's tweeting that Putin who pwned him is a friend!


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  #1700287 8-Jan-2017 19:25
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gzt: It also says that Republican Party servers were attacked as well but the information gained from those attacks was not released by the hackers:

 

Trump supports (and the rest of us, I suppose), should worry about that part of the hack as well. If they got information they can use to blackmail Trump and the Republican Party, its going to affect the democratic processes in the US in other ways than just the just held election.


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  #1700298 8-Jan-2017 20:21
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Cyber-security is becoming a huge thing. I hope the NZ Govt is investing enough in this area in order to keep our basic infrastructure safe ..at least. 


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  #1700356 8-Jan-2017 21:59
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gzt:
blakamin:

 

He's been reading GZ!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

And is seriously deluded... How is this tool becoming POTUS?

 


It's silly stuff but people believe it if it's their only source.

The report says it does not attempt to estimate the impact on the election. It also says that Republican Party servers were attacked as well but the information gained from those attacks was not released by the hackers:

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

 

 

 

I know... Scary as Eff... :(


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  #1700631 9-Jan-2017 19:16
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Meryl Streep's acceptance speech at the Golden Globes.

 

 

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Please sit down. Please sit down. Thank you. I love you all. You’ll have to forgive me. I’ve lost my voice in screaming and lamentation this weekend. And I have lost my mind sometime earlier this year. So I have to read.

 

Thank you, Hollywood foreign press. Just to pick up on what Hugh Laurie said. You and all of us in this room, really, belong to the most vilified segments in American society right now. Think about it. Hollywood, foreigners, and the press. But who are we? And, you know, what is Hollywood anyway? It’s just a bunch of people from other places.

 

I was born and raised and created in the public schools of New Jersey. Viola [Davis] was born in a sharecropper’s cabin in South Carolina, and grew up in Central falls, Long Island. Sarah Paulson was raised by a single mom in Brooklyn. Sarah Jessica Parker was one of seven or eight kids from Ohio. Amy Adams was born in Italy. Natalie Portman was born in Jerusalem. Where are their birth certificates? And the beautiful Ruth Negga was born in Ethiopia, raised in — no, in Ireland, I do believe. And she’s here nominated for playing a small town girl from Virginia. Ryan Gosling, like all the nicest people, is Canadian. And Dev Patel was born in Kenya, raised in London, is here for playing an Indian raised in Tasmania.

 

Hollywood is crawling with outsiders and foreigners. If you kick ’em all out, you’ll have nothing to watch but football and mixed martial arts, which are not the arts. They gave me three seconds to say this. An actor’s only job is to enter the lives of people who are different from us and let you feel what that feels like. And there were many, many, many powerful performances this year that did exactly that, breathtaking, passionate work.

 

There was one performance this year that stunned me. It sank its hooks in my heart. Not because it was good. There was nothing good about it. But it was effective and it did its job. It made its intended audience laugh and show their teeth. It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter, someone he outranked in privilege, power, and the capacity to fight back. It kind of broke my heart when I saw it. I still can’t get it out of my head because it wasn’t in a movie. It was real life.

 

And this instinct to humiliate, when it’s modeled by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful, it filters down into everybody’s life, because it kind of gives permission for other people to do the same thing. Disrespect invites disrespect. Violence incites violence. When the powerful use their position to bully others, we all lose.

 

This brings me to the press. We need the principled press to hold power to account, to call them on the carpet for every outrage. That’s why our founders enshrined the press and its freedoms in our constitution. So I only ask the famously well-heeled Hollywood Foreign Press and all of us in our community to join me in supporting the committee to protect journalists. Because we’re going to need them going forward. And they’ll need us to safeguard the truth.

 

One more thing. Once when I was standing around on the set one day whining about something, we were going to work through supper, or the long hours or whatever, Tommy Lee Jones said to me, isn’t it such a privilege, Meryl, just to be an actor. Yeah, it is. And we have to remind each other of the privilege and the responsibility of the act of empathy. We should all be very proud of the work Hollywood honors here tonight.

 

As my friend, the dear departed Princess Leia, said to me once, take your broken heart, make it into art. Thank you.

 


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  #1700645 9-Jan-2017 20:42
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Clap. Clap.

 

 





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