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Rikkitic
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  #3176302 30-Dec-2023 10:49
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The problem is deplorables see him as one of their own. That is ridiculous of course, but it is what it is. The American system creates lots of losers. These are people without a voice. Now they think they have a voice in Trump. Nothing he does, no crime he commits, no jail time he serves, will put them off. They see these kinds of things as proof that he is being persecuted for serving the cause.

 

 

 

 





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  #3176307 30-Dec-2023 11:33
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Ironically, the very people you speak of - Trump couldn't care less about them. But like the cult leader he is, his followers don't see it that way.


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  #3176380 30-Dec-2023 19:52
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Rikkitic:  ... Nothing he does, no crime he commits, no jail time he serves, will put [Trump's supporters] off.

 

They see these kinds of things as proof that he is being persecuted for serving the cause.

 

 





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  #3176392 30-Dec-2023 21:23
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Guaranteed to get Trump angry, because he is not above the law.

Jack Smith's motions has already been used by prosecutors in many of the hundreds of trials of Trump's followers.

They are now sitting in jail as will be their leader Trump,

Washington Post: Special counsel asks D.C. judge to bar Trump misinformation at trial

Federal prosecutors have asked a judge to prohibit Donald Trump’s attorneys from introducing at his D.C. federal election obstruction trial “irrelevant disinformation” that is often part of Trump’s campaign stump speeches, including that President Biden coordinated with the Justice Department to bring criminal charges against him.

Special counsel Jack Smith filed on Wednesday what is known as a motion in limine, urging U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan to prohibit Trump from including certain arguments in his defense. Such filings are common in legal proceedings and aim to eliminate arguments at trial that prosecutors say are not supported by evidence or are irrelevant to the case, and could mislead jurors.

Among the potential defenses that Smith wants Chutkan, who is overseeing the case, to ban at trial: that law enforcement’s failure to properly prepare is to blame for the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. Trump has previously made this claim.

“Although the Court can recognize these efforts for what they are and disregard them, the jury — if subjected to them — may not,” the filing reads. “The Court should not permit the defendant to turn the courtroom into a forum in which he propagates irrelevant disinformation, and should reject his attempt to inject politics into this proceeding.”

Prosecutors have filed similar motions in many of the hundreds of trials of people charged with storming the Capitol on Jan. 6. In those cases, prosecutors have typically sought to prohibit defense attorneys from arguing that their clients were exercising their First Amendment rights when they broke into the Capitol or that the police — acting as part of some sort of conspiracy — allowed the riot to happen.
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  #3176403 30-Dec-2023 22:58
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For that one I would also argue precedent. Hell, even in 2000 there were several questions about the election result, but you didn't see a mob of Al Gore's supporters storming the Capitol when he counted the votes like Mike Pence did. This process had been carried out successfully for a long, long time (until the lying orange buffoon started opening his whiny mouth and playing the "election fraud" card) with no issues at all - certainly with no riots - so I can see why the police may not have expected to happen what happened.

 

What Trump's trying is deflection at its best. He knew he lost, but didn't want to appear like a loser, so he summoned his group of thugs to do what they did. Even then, they still failed - but somehow it becomes "oh this is all the Police's fault, I had nothing to do with it, blah blah blah" 🙄


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  #3176460 31-Dec-2023 07:34
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  #3176461 31-Dec-2023 07:42
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Trump has been the best thing for lawyers since the Magna Carta.

In ten years times, lawyers will be moaning: "remember when millions in billable time were flooding in, because of Trump? He paid for my backyard underground bunker. Good times, good times."

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  #3176463 31-Dec-2023 08:22
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You're assuming he even pays his lawyers in the first place? I thought it would be more like "damn, that guy never paid us a red cent, but kept stringing us along for ages. Now we have to close down or keep trying to get anything out of the jerk!" 😀 Some naive law firms might think landing Trump as a client would result in a huge payday, but history has proved otherwise.

 

Also - Politico's list of the most wrong predictions of 2023. Perennial favourite, once-popular Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams appears on this list for the umpteenth time (for once not espousing his undying love for Trump) but for something different. There's a few surprises in here too: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/29/2023-worst-political-predictions-00132568

 

 


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  #3176481 31-Dec-2023 10:20
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quickymart:

You're assuming he even pays his lawyers in the first place? I thought it would be more like "damn, that guy never paid us a red cent, but kept stringing us along for ages. Now we have to close down or keep trying to get anything out of the jerk!" 😀 Some naive law firms might think landing Trump as a client would result in a huge payday, but history has proved otherwise.



I wish we knew where the millions Trump's getting is going.

I guess the third-parties used by prosecutors are getting rich, investigators, analysts, advocates, information technology specialists, researchers, support staff,

Also lawyers getting rich are used by the subset of January 6th traitors who are sane. They are still somewhat connected to reality to have a lawyer represent them in court, rather than representing themselves.

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  #3176485 31-Dec-2023 10:37
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kingdragonfly: Also lawyers getting rich are used by the subset of January 6th traitors who are sane. They are still somewhat connected to reality to have a lawyer represent them in court, rather than representing themselves.

 

Unlike clowns like this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/22/taylor-james-johnatakis-guilty-jan-6-rioter 😄


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  #3176527 31-Dec-2023 15:59
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/30/politics/donald-trump-jack-smith-immunity-claim-filing/index.html >> sweet, Jack Smith is not mucking around, he knows his stuff. And Trump has the nerve to call him "deranged"? Spare me 🙄


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  #3176545 31-Dec-2023 17:05
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quickymart:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/30/politics/donald-trump-jack-smith-immunity-claim-filing/index.html >> sweet, Jack Smith is not mucking around, he knows his stuff. And Trump has the nerve to call him "deranged"? Spare me 🙄

 

Jack Smith for World President 😍





'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

 

'If you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.' Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'

 

 


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  #3176548 31-Dec-2023 17:21
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I don't think he would want that job, but that would be great! 👍

 

(although I still think he looks like Jordan Peterson)


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  #3176552 31-Dec-2023 17:39
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quickymart:

 

I don't think he would want that job, but that would be great! 👍

 

(although I still think he looks like Jordan Peterson)

 

 

LOL, you're right. Like an older, weary brother. I recently ran across a webpage where a fem journo was shredding one of his books. Funny read, I'll see if I can find it





'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

 

'If you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.' Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'

 

 


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  #3176568 31-Dec-2023 20:58
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quickymart:

 

Ironically, the very people you speak of - Trump couldn't care less about them. But like the cult leader he is, his followers don't see it that way.

 

 

That‘s more or less why we ‚won‘ our Gröfaz in 1933.





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