Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#3191184 5-Feb-2024 18:09

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Handsomedan:
They're not just underage kids with no ability to vote - there's a massive fanbase who see her (for some weird reason) as the Messiah.

Well for someone who's so witty and knowledgeable about computer security you've got to admire her.

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#3191260 5-Feb-2024 20:58

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-bucks-scam-1234743556/

Not sure if this was posted in here already or not, and it's from last year, but it goes a long way to proving the old adage "a fool and his money are soon parted".

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#3191270 5-Feb-2024 21:42

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Typical Trump scam, taking someone else's idea:

and pretending it's your own.

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#3191277 5-Feb-2024 22:12

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Summary: buying Trump Commemorative Coins is for idiots

only buy if it's equal to precious metal worth.
you had better check and double-check its reputable, because in these treacherous waters there's more sharks than treasure chests

From Benzingadiplomatically saying "don't be stupid":

"Trump Commemorative Coins are privately minted coins that feature the likeness of former President Donald Trump. No government mints produce these coins. Since no standard Trump commemorative coin exists, the features, composition and design of the coins vary.
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They likely aren't the best choice if you just want to invest in gold as there is far less demand for the coins than popular bullion coins
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The value of a Trump coin will depend on a few things like its metal contents, supply and demand and who made the coin. A 1-ounce gold Trump coin from a reputable private mint might be more valuable to collectors than 1 ounce of gold. It could also be worth slightly less because of a lack of demand for these specific coins.
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Although the personal collectible value gives these coins sentimental value, buying Trump coins is likely not the best way to start investing in gold or silver. They don’t hold enough value for them to be worth it for most people when there are so many other great choices for bullion"
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#3191329 5-Feb-2024 22:34

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I wonder if these Trump coin-things would go up in value after he dies? (note that I don't want him dead or anything, but genuinely curious).

I can see the MAGA crowd falling over themselves to get their hands on this junk (which is literally what it is) but I don't imagine much interest from the general public outside that group otherwise.

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#3191342 6-Feb-2024 01:02

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#3191356 6-Feb-2024 07:53

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So much to unpack on this video, but nothing new.

I guess it's too much to expect that a 77 year old wanna-be dictator come up with new material.

And Speaker of the House Mike Johnson who also puts his fanatical views ahead of the country's well-being.

Remember his first interview on Fox news: "Someone asked me today in the media, they said, 'It's curious. People are curious. What does Mike Johnson think about any issue under the sun?'

I said, 'Well, go pick up a Bible off your shelf and read it.' That's my worldview. That's what I'm believe."

Trump screws himself with disastrous admission on air

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#3191387 6-Feb-2024 11:02

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Trump heads to US Supreme Court with a familiar claim: He is untouchable

WASHINGTON, Feb 5 (Reuters) - Donald Trump will try to persuade the U.S. Supreme Court this week to reverse a judicial decision to kick him off the ballot in Colorado over his actions concerning the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, arguing that the constitutional provision his opponents cite does not apply to him as a former president.

It may not be the only time Trump makes this type of assertion to the justices. As he fights four criminal cases and civil litigation in lower courts, Trump has repeatedly advanced a bold argument: that he is formally immune or otherwise not subject to these legal challenges.

"Trump appears obsessed with trying to place himself above the law. The theme running throughout these claims is that he cannot be held liable at law for anything he has done," said constitutional law expert Michael Gerhardt, a University of North Carolina law professor. "No president or former president has made such outlandish, self-serving claims."

The Supreme Court, whose 6-3 conservative majority includes three Trump appointees, is scheduled* to hear Trump's appeal of a ruling by Colorado's top court that disqualified him from the state's Republican primary ballot under the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment for engaging in insurrection. ...

* on Thursday

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#3191477 6-Feb-2024 15:04

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I have to wander if the Biden administration has replaced Trump's lawyers with robots bent on Trump's destruction (I'm joking)

Trump is conflating two different arguments.

Trump is disqualified from the presidency under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which bars any "officer of the United States" who "engaged in insurrection" from holding public office (6 January)
A president is above any law

For Trump, the safe, and smart bet, would be limit the arguments to the section 3, since it hasn't been used for literally 100 years. (It blocked a Socialist candidate from office because he opposed WWI in 1920).

But arguing all presidents are Gods, whose mere mortal laws don't apply, will either show

Yes Presidents are Gods: the Supreme Court is biased, nothing but a kangaroo court, Republican shills. Plus it would be a milestone to the death of US democracy.
No, Presidents are not Gods: puts Trump into a very bad position for the 91 felony accounts he's facing.

(An odd footnote about the 14th amendment, section 3: in 1978, Congress lifted disqualification for dead Confederates traitors for general Robert E. Lee and Confederate president Jefferson Davis. It begs the question "Why? they are dead.")

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#3191478 6-Feb-2024 15:04

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I don't think his immunity argument really holds weight, eh. If that really was the case, there's nothing to stop any president (not just Trump) assassinating someone for example, then claiming "immunity". It sounds ridiculous, but it's probably totally plausible in his world 🙄

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#3191485 6-Feb-2024 16:07

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in 1978, Congress lifted disqualification for dead Confederates traitors for general Robert E. Lee and Confederate president Jefferson Davis.

Lee recanted and wanted his citizenship back. Jefferson was the exact opposite. Over 100 years later longtime southern democratic politician President Carter was the reason for the pardon. Some say it was the price of Carter's pardon for Vietnam era draft objectors. Perhaps this is something Trump can look forward to in 100 years.

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gzt: Lee recanted and wanted his citizenship back. Jefferson was the exact opposite. Over 100 years later longtime southern democratic politician President Carter was the reason for the pardon. Some say it was the price of Carter's pardon for Vietnam era draft objectors. Perhaps this is something Trump can look forward to in 100 years.

I went back and did a search, and came up with this article, from two months ago

New Yorker: What happened when the U.S. failed to prosecute an insurrectionist ex-president
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In the aftermath of the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, legal scholars, including leading conservatives, have argued that the clause disqualifies Donald Trump from running for President. Challenges calling for Trump’s name to be blocked from ballots have been filed in twenty-eight states. Eleven cases have been dismissed by courts or voluntarily withdrawn. The Supreme Court might have the final say.
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The American Presidency is draped in a red-white-and-blue cloak of impunity. Trump is the first President to have been impeached twice and the first ex-President to have been criminally indicted. If he’s convicted and sentenced and—unlikeliest of all—goes to prison, he will be the first in those dishonors, too. He faces four criminal trials, for a total of ninety-one felony charges. Thirty-four of those charges concern the alleged Stormy Daniels coverup, forty address Trump’s handling of classified documents containing national-defense information, and the remainder, divided between a federal case in Washington, D.C., and a state case in Georgia, relate to his efforts to overturn the 2020 Presidential election, including by inciting an armed insurrection to halt the certification of the Electoral College vote by a joint session of Congress. His very infamy is unprecedented.

The insurrection at the Capitol cost seven lives. The Civil War cost seven hundred thousand. And yet Jefferson Davis was never held responsible for any of those deaths.
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If Davis had been tried and convicted, the cloak of Presidential impunity would be flimsier. Leniency for Davis also bolstered the cause of white supremacy.
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#3191520 6-Feb-2024 18:46

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Trump Tax LEAK Cornered By Staggering Legal Consequences

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The former Internal Revenue Service contractor, Charles Littlejohn, who was accused of leaking Donald Trump and other high-profile figures' tax documents faces a serious legal sentence, while Trump remains free.

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Turns out Trump's immunity bs case was just that, a bs case: https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-court-ruling-immunity-election-subversion-prosecution/index.html

Of course, he's going to appeal and waste more time (and his supporter's money) 🙄

I hope that all gets thrown out too.

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quickymart: Turns out Trump's immunity bs case was just that, a bs case ...

The NY Times - Federal Appeals Court Rejects Trump’s Claim of Absolute Immunity

A federal appeals court on Tuesday rejected former President Donald J. Trump’s claim that he was immune to charges of plotting to subvert the results of the 2020 election, ruling that he must go to trial on a criminal indictment accusing him of seeking to overturn his loss to President Biden.

The unanimous ruling, by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, handed Mr. Trump a significant defeat. But it was unlikely to be the final word on his claims of executive immunity: Mr. Trump, who is on a path to locking up the Republican presidential nomination, is expected to continue his appeal to the Supreme Court. ...

The panel, composed of two judges appointed by Democrats and one Republican appointee, said in its decision that, despite the privileges of the office he once held, Mr. Trump was subject to federal criminal law like any other American. ...

The three judges cast Mr. Trump’s immunity claims as a danger to the nation’s constitutional system.

“At bottom, former President Trump’s stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the president beyond the reach of all three branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the president, the Congress could not legislate, the executive could not prosecute and the judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter.”

Despite this verdict, Trump has again succeeded in his main objective - delay, delay, delay ... 🙄

EDIT: A quote from the panel of judges :

“For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant.

"... any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as president no longer protects him against this prosecution.”

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