Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#3293992 7-Oct-2024 15:25

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quickymart: Trump returns to the site of his first assassination attempt in Pennsylvania:

Who did he try to kill in Pennsylvania?

It's not a Who, it's a What: Democracy

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#3294000 7-Oct-2024 15:39

Disgusting entourage, Leon.

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#3294006 7-Oct-2024 15:57

Tinkerisk:

Disgusting entourage, Leon.

And calling himself Dark MAGA.

That's laughable.

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#3294008 7-Oct-2024 16:01

freitasm:

Tinkerisk:

Disgusting entourage, Leon.

And calling himself Dark MAGA.

That's laughable.

Oh..I thought he was saying DAFT MAGA and found myself agreeing with him for once... Oh well.

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#3294016 7-Oct-2024 16:26

Elon Musk has become a full MAGA monster alpha warrior ...

Newsweek - What Is Dark MAGA? Trump Supporters Attempt Rebrand for 2024

From the archives ... Apr 20, 2022

A small fringe of Donald Trump's supporters is calling for the former president to get back on the highest stage of U.S. politics with a vengeance with the motto: #DarkMAGA.

More of a meme than a political slogan, Dark MAGA is a post-alt-right aesthetic that promotes an authoritarian version of Trump in dystopian, Terminator-like images.

In some, the Trump Tower is painted entirely in black and the former president is seen piercing through the screen with blue laser eyes.

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#3294334 8-Oct-2024 07:45

I stil find it incredible that working class stiffs in the US look at these billionaires with feelings of anything but loathing.

They are a main contributor to their plight - they aren't the saviours. Yet they can't seem to grasp this.

They're the people that woud deny them simple things like high quality universal healthcare, retirement benefits that aren't suddenly vapourised after they get made redundant, jobs, homes etc.
They'd never welcome their followers into their clubs, or buildings or their hotels. Not as guests.

What a sad state of affairs.

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#3294349 8-Oct-2024 09:09

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I stil find it incredible that working class stiffs in the US look at these billionaires with feelings of anything but loathing.

They are a main contributor to their plight - they aren't the saviours. Yet they can't seem to grasp this.

They're the people that woud deny them simple things like high quality universal healthcare, retirement benefits that aren't suddenly vapourised after they get made redundant, jobs, homes etc.
They'd never welcome their followers into their clubs, or buildings or their hotels. Not as guests.

What a sad state of affairs.

I'm reading a book at the moment called "How to win an information war" It's primarily about the WWII and the efforts and methods of one person, Sefton Delmer, to influence the thinking of the average German. The book also touches on the Ukraine war and also talks about Trump. It looks at how the likes of Hitler, Putin, and Trump persuade large swathes of the population that they are the saviour the population needs. To the point that it is impossible to point out to these people all the incongruity involved. There's some complex psychology going on.

Delmer figured out that trying to influence the Germans in a direct way was never going to work. He used very subtle ways to get inside their heads so that they could be brought to see for themselves rather than having it pointed out to them directly as they would never have believed him.

Having read what's in the book I can see exactly how these "working class stiffs" as you call them put the likes of Trump up on a pedestal. Scary but true.

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#3294359 8-Oct-2024 10:04

Technofreak:

Having read what's in the book I can see exactly how these "working class stiffs" as you call them put the likes of Trump up on a pedestal. Scary but true.

Interesting. Save us reading the book and point out the methods used.

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#3294361 8-Oct-2024 10:16

Technofreak:

I'm reading a book at the moment called "How to win an information war" It's primarily about the WWII and the efforts and methods of one person, Sefton Delmer, to influence the thinking of the average German. The book also touches on the Ukraine war and also talks about Trump. It looks at how the likes of Hitler, Putin, and Trump persuade large swathes of the population that they are the saviour the population needs. To the point that it is impossible to point out to these people all the incongruity involved. There's some complex psychology going on.

Delmer figured out that trying to influence the Germans in a direct way was never going to work. He used very subtle ways to get inside their heads so that they could be brought to see for themselves rather than having it pointed out to them directly as they would never have believed him.

Having read what's in the book I can see exactly how these "working class stiffs" as you call them put the likes of Trump up on a pedestal. Scary but true.

The problem isn't so much Trump and his ilk - it's us. Homo sapiens - 'wise man' - is anything but wise. We're cunning, conniving and clever, but unstable, illogical and self-destructive.

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#3294363 8-Oct-2024 10:20

Technofreak: I'm reading a book at the moment called "How to win an information war" ...

Here is an informative review of this book:

The Guardian - Review - How to Win an Information War by Peter Pomerantsev

26 March 2024

This compelling study of 1930s journalist Sefton Delmer reveals how he used ‘grotesque cabaret’ as propaganda to undermine the Germans’ faith in nazism – and how such methods could be used against today’s tyrants.

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elpenguino:

Technofreak:

Having read what's in the book I can see exactly how these "working class stiffs" as you call them put the likes of Trump up on a pedestal. Scary but true.

Interesting. Save us reading the book and point out the methods used.

I haven't finished the book yet, about 1/3 of the way through.

Basically so far the main method seems to be to converse with them at their level agree with their point of view don't say thing that runs too counter to their point of view and able drop in some "truth bombs" which will eventually verified by the recipient. Slowly sewing seeds of doubt.

Get enough doubts and they start to come to their own realisation.

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#3294385 8-Oct-2024 11:09

geekIT:

Technofreak:

I'm reading a book at the moment called "How to win an information war" It's primarily about the WWII and the efforts and methods of one person, Sefton Delmer, to influence the thinking of the average German. The book also touches on the Ukraine war and also talks about Trump. It looks at how the likes of Hitler, Putin, and Trump persuade large swathes of the population that they are the saviour the population needs. To the point that it is impossible to point out to these people all the incongruity involved. There's some complex psychology going on.

Delmer figured out that trying to influence the Germans in a direct way was never going to work. He used very subtle ways to get inside their heads so that they could be brought to see for themselves rather than having it pointed out to them directly as they would never have believed him.

Having read what's in the book I can see exactly how these "working class stiffs" as you call them put the likes of Trump up on a pedestal. Scary but true.

The problem isn't so much Trump and his ilk - it's us. Homo sapiens - 'wise man' - is anything but wise. We're cunning, conniving and clever, but unstable, illogical and self-destructive.

Correct

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#3294388 8-Oct-2024 11:20

Technofreak:

Correct

And STUPID loves company...the more the merrier.

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#3294397 8-Oct-2024 11:36

Technofreak:

Basically so far the main method seems to be to converse with them at their level agree with their point of view don't say thing that runs too counter to their point of view and able drop in some "truth bombs" which will eventually verified by the recipient. Slowly sewing seeds of doubt.

Get enough doubts and they start to come to their own realisation.

OK. The 'radical left' must be doing something wrong. So many truth bombs have been dropped on Trump his credibility should resemble 1945 Dresden yet 50% of americans still support him.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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