Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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kingdragonfly

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#3307437 10-Nov-2024 10:13

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quickymart: Basically, this story points the finger at right-wing media, but also memes, which didn't necessarily come directly from Trump and co - but his team certainly picked up some of the weirder ones and amplified them

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Stephen Hawking

"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, wrote Faust , a play about a man who sells his soul to the Devil

Again Trump will do damage throughout the world, the only question is how permanent it is. But we can take solace we don't live in America.

It will be sad to see various leaders lick Trump's shoes.

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#3307680 11-Nov-2024 10:44

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quickymart:
Interesting look at how he won: https://newrepublic.com/post/188197/trump-media-information-landscape-fox

Basically, this story points the finger at right-wing media, but also memes, which didn't necessarily come directly from Trump and co - but his team certainly picked up some of the weirder ones and amplified them:

And this year, Fox and the rest of the right-wing media elected him. I discussed all this Thursday with Matthew Gertz of Media Matters for America, who watches lots of Fox News so the rest of us don’t have to. He made the crucial point—and you must understand this—that nearly all the crazy memes that percolated into the news-stream during this election came not from Trump or JD Vance originally, but from somewhere in the right-wing media ecosystem.

I don't believe that was the reason. If you have watched any Kamala Harris speeches or interviews, you will know why people didn't vote for her.

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#3307769 11-Nov-2024 15:25

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Kamala had quite normal speeches about normal things.
Inflation going down and stock market going up, improving peoples lives.
Support for first home buyers, up to $25K to for down payments.
Increasing support for home building to build more than 3 million homes.
Increasing newborn child tax credit to $6,000 etc, protecting Healthcare.
Pledging 'Not' to raise taxes for those earning under 400K
Expand the startup expense tax deduction for new businesses from $5,000 to $50,000
Increase the share of federal contract dollars going to small businesses
Legalize recreational marijuana, with a patchwork of states having done this already it makes sense.

I guess it was a big mistake not constantly throwing vicious assaults at opponents.
Saying Trump is not a serious person is kinda weak on the inciting people to violence scale.
Calling J D Vance weird likewise.

So yep she should have gone with vicious continuous attacks, threats to court martial, put before firing squad.

Talk about important things like is it better to be killed by sharks or electricity, that magnets don't work in water, famous sports peoples genitalia, smart serial killers.

Find a group and 'other' to vilify that they are eating all the cats and dogs, threatening suburbia, etc.
Thats a power move that Kamala missed out on.

Luxon has a lot to learn from Trump on how to be a real politician.

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#3307771 11-Nov-2024 15:35

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ezbee:

So yep she should have gone with vicious continuous attacks, threats to court martial, put before firing squad.

She didn't have to be "vicious".

She could have simply told the plain truth and called him out as a convicted criminal, adjudicated rapist who hung out with convicted pedophiles, cheated on all three of his wives (sometimes with porn stars), loved to grab women by the p***y, loved to walk into the dressing rooms full of half-naked underage girls at the Miss Teen USA pageants he hosted, hoped his baby daughter would have big tits like her mother, owes $100M to the woman he raped then defamed, has 20-something other allegations of sexual assault against him, owes nearly $500M for persistent criminal fraud, has been bankrupted 6 times - once while running a casino!, and faces at least three other criminal trials.

And that's just the stuff we know about.

I cannot for the life of me understand why she wasn't hammering on that 24/7. That's not vicious, it isn't ad hominem, it's who he is, from the words of his own mouth.

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#3307792 11-Nov-2024 16:43

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I'm not blaming Kamala for the election results.

I blame the average American voter. There's a meanness and pettiness in the US.

If someone walks into a store, finds the clerk has stepped away, and chooses to shoplift, does society hold the store responsible?

Unfortunately China, Russia and the USA all have sickness of the soul. There, trust in institutions, government, media, and even in fellow citizens is at an all-time low. This erosion of trust fuels cynicism and suspicion, further fragmenting society.

Even religion becomes intertwined with the relentless pursuit of material wealth and consumer goods.

There's a celebration of rampant corruption, greed and power for power's sake.

At best, it create a shift towards moral relativism, where the lines between right and wrong become blurred, leading to ethical confusion and a lack of clear values.

Or in China, Russia and the USA, the intentional destruction of integrity and accountability.

There will never be a perfect campaign. But ultimately American voters had a clear choice, and decided to burn down their own house while inside it.

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#3307793 11-Nov-2024 16:48

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kingdragonfly: ... There will never be a perfect campaign. But ultimately American voters had a clear choice, and decided to burn down their own house while inside it.

Agreed. The US appears to be in self-destruct mode. 😡

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#3307846 11-Nov-2024 20:01

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Batman: I don't believe that was the reason. If you have watched any Kamala Harris speeches or interviews, you will know why people didn't vote for her.

I've read many post-analyses, but that one I posted probably tells of a contributing factor, at least.

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#3307870 11-Nov-2024 21:45

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Depressing (but important) reading: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html

What's he going to try on this time around? 🙄

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#3308053 12-Nov-2024 12:36

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quickymart:

Depressing (but important) reading: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html

What's he going to try on this time around? 🙄

Too late to care.

We should be going full bore on mitigations , i.e. assume the worst and plan accordingly

Eg. Trump will try to surrender Ukraine, Break trade treaties, kill climate change mitigations , restrict technology, etc etc etc.

The world MUST assume Trump will make the USA a rouge state and can not be trusted.

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#3308056 12-Nov-2024 12:44

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quickymart: What's he going to try on this time around? 🙄

The Washington Post - The 5-Minute Fix - How Trump is trying to get Congress to bend to his will

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Donald Trump is already moving ahead with creating a more powerful presidency than his first one.

Among his first steps: Demanding that Republican senators step aside when it comes to major decisions, like who runs the government.

When a new president takes office, the Senate’s main job is to confirm - or oppose - the people nominated to serve in key government roles.

But Trump [tells] Republican senators that they need to step aside when he gets into office so he can unilaterally select his leaders.

“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments,” Trump posted on his Truth Social platform, adding that he wants positions filled “IMMEDIATELY!”

What Trump’s asking is technically constitutional, experts say, but would be a stark abdication of powers on the part of the Senate.

And it could be just the beginning of Trump’s effort to get what he wants out of a Republican Congress.

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#3308058 12-Nov-2024 12:46

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Now We Will Get What We Asked For: In These Times
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard,” wrote American journalist H.L. Mencken in 1916.
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The American people want Donald Trump. And now they will get him.

He will bring with him a horde of cranks, frauds, religious zealots, gutter racists, and vindictive thugs unprecedented in modern American history.

The Nixon White House will look like a zen temple compared to what is coming.

Trump’s second term will be a wave of pure malevolence.

There will be revenge against his enemies, and there will be assaults on innocent and vulnerable Americans of the sort that our government usually reserves only for people overseas.

Fringe lunatics will dictate health policy; Crypto grifters will dictate economic policy; Christian evangelicals will dictate Middle East policy; Flinty corporate lawyers will dictate labor policy; and the mighty American federal government will be run with all the propriety of a late night infomercial selling miracle cures to insomniacs. The cure will be branded “TRUMP,” in large golden letters. It won’t work. There will be no refunds.
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#3308231 12-Nov-2024 18:25

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Saw this cartoon from Dr Seuss, and immediately though of Trump

"… and the Wolf chew up the children and spit
out their bones…But those were Foreign Children
and it really didn't matter"

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#3308233 12-Nov-2024 18:29

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https://archive.ph/Ij1uV

https://www.ft.com/content/d207c4a9-0e6d-4ece-a44d-abf890316b5a

This is something I hadn't thought about. Yes, Musk supported Trump's campaign with a lot of money. But they're both egomaniacs, and we all know Trump absolutely detests sharing the spotlight with anybody.

One of the comments in this Reddit thread on the Post article stuck out to me - I wasn't actually aware of this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/comments/1gop7l4/opinion_donald_trump_and_elon_musk_are_the/?rdt=44261

He was part of his first Admin, and quit when it became apparent it was a s--t show. This time he’ll try and fix his issues within the time, but it wont last. Narcissists cant work with others.

What exactly did Musk do in his first term? I had a quick read on the Wikipedia article around Trump's first term but couldn't see Musk's name mentioned anywhere.

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#3308245 12-Nov-2024 19:53

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Not directly related to Trump. It is under the misnomer of "Christian Rock", but still this song made me feel better.

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#3308268 12-Nov-2024 20:59

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Inflation is the easiest explanation for Trump's win. I've read somewhere Trump's promised tax cuts were attractive. I have not seen a list of what cuts Trump was offering to the average worker.

I read some commentary that Trump offered tax cuts last time and didn't deliver. I still don't really know what those were either.

On his website pdf the most detail I can find is.. "Make Trump Tax Cuts Permanent and No Tax on Tips. Republicans will make permanent the provisions of the Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that doubled the standard deduction, expanded the Child Tax Credit, and spurred Economic Growth for all Americans. We will eliminate Taxes on Tips for millions of Restaurant and Hospitality Workers, and pursue additional Tax Cuts"

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