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Reply # 1505270 2-Mar-2016 22:43

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Obama is not a business person. Obama Healthcare is a complete disaster. Its killing many businesses. If Hillary gets in you will just get more of the same. Absolutely nothing will get done. Everyone I speak too is absolutely fed up, esp. business people. Trump is the only one who will bring significant change for the better.

The only business that's suffering because of Obama care is the heath insurance industry that can't justify their high pricing and most likely the hospitals and drug companies for the same reason.. Obama Care gives heath care to the poor and low paid workers or are you one of these people that thinks only the rich should get health care? If you're poor then die..??

I did not write the quote, so it wasn't my view contained therein.

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Reply # 1505276 2-Mar-2016 23:09

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turnin: Maybe Trump should win,
Perhaps it is what is needed to wake people up to realise there is a better measure of governance ,prosperity ,health and education than a balance sheet.
Trump occurs to me as a knee jerk reaction.
I love that he is against lobbying, but his beat up the middle East, lock out the Mexicans etc. I need say no more.

I know it's a bit like saying the best thing a kid can do is learn by falling over , but the US might become a better place by getting what it deserves, and I really do believe it's going to get what it deserves

While I see where you're coming from, I have family I care about (and my wife is an American citizen who lives here and votes there). I wouldn't want them to suffer 4 minutes of "governance" under this clown.

I read somewhere that if Trump (somehow) wins, it's doubtful he will last more than a week in the job, as some nutjob will attempt to assassinate him. Problem with that is, the Vice President becomes President. And if he puts in Sarah Palin (another crackpot), well...God help America.

LOL If Obama survived 8 years, Trump will last more than a week. I recall all the dire predictions blah blah.

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Reply # 1505278 2-Mar-2016 23:10

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Geektastic - That was posted by someone from Trumps campaign. All the candidates have people who troll the media and web posting positive comments.

I'm sorry, I am probably breaching the FUG, but that is the dumbest thing I've seen in the thread so far I think.

Why would they be on the NZ Herald site, we have NO control OVER THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION! We are not eligible to vote, we are not a significant US partner, we (NZ) are pretty much the most insignificant specks of dust on the US Boot.

The thought they would send paid professionals to spread FUD here actually made me laugh!

I don't think this is so incredible at all. If you know how major political campaigns are run in the US, all the candidates have hordes of volunteers constantly emailing and ringing people up and knocking on doors. The volunteers would be searching on-line for any mention of their person's name and would respond to that. In today's interconnected global world, it doesn't make much difference where a site is physically located. The point is not whether we are eligible to vote, or have any influence over the outcome, or are in any way significant, the point is only if someone says something about their candidate. If someone does, any time, anywhere, one of them will respond. That is just how it is done.

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Reply # 1505279 2-Mar-2016 23:16

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It's a possibility, even in nz there are certainty suspiciously active posters that post the same arguments on multiple sites, sometimes prolifically. Dirty politics has a chapter on this.
I'm not sure the Republicans take international votes, the Democrats do , herald did a story on Wellington based Americans yesterday. Mainly supported Bernie sanders

LOL. I am trying to work out if you are serious or not? Cmon, really! The US Citizenship DO NOT CARE about NZ, They don't CARE what our opinions of their leaders are (as a collective). We aren't relevant to their election outcome.

There are idiots on every comments section of every news site in the world and just because they spout the same diatribe over and over and just because it looks like it supports a particular pro trump view, for example, does in no way make them a trump camp social media instigator.

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Reply # 1505287 2-Mar-2016 23:28

I don't think this is so incredible at all. If you know how major political campaigns are run in the US, all the candidates have hordes of volunteers constantly emailing and ringing people up and knocking on doors. The volunteers would be searching on-line for any mention of their person's name and would respond to that. In today's interconnected global world, it doesn't make much difference where a site is physically located. The point is not whether we are eligible to vote, or have any influence over the outcome, or are in any way significant, the point is only if someone says something about their candidate. If someone does, any time, anywhere, one of them will respond. That is just how it is done.

SMH! Seriously? If the idea is to get discussions happening on the candidate so that people in the US find it when they google Trump for example, then doing it in NZ would hurt their candidate if anything. Spend some time in the USA (Not disneyland or such areas), to understand for real how unlikely it is, that any US Citizen would look at comments on the NZ herald website, and form an opinion other than "irrelevant" and move on. Most wouldn't stay long enough to get to the articles on Trump, because it has a NZ at the end of the URL. I don't say this to be derogatory to either countries citizens.

Sure, this might go on within a country, or even within NZ/Australia for an Election held here, but honestly I can't stress enough how little Americans care about the opinions of Kiwi's in general (As it relates to the USA), and how much less than that, they care about our opinions on their political ANYTHING. Take it from me when I tell you that anything we write/say/express gets met with "you wouldn't understand". if you don't believe me, TRY and have a conversation about Gun Control for either side of the argument, with any American who supports either side of the argument. If they seem like they are listening, they are being polite.

I am not saying I agree with this view, but I know a LOT of Americans lost a LOT of respect for Kiwi's, because we didn't join Australia in sending troops to Iraq to support the US led invasion of Iraq. Australians opinions are more highly valued to Americans in my experience, and believe me when I tell you they care not about Australian opinions on how the US runs it's ANYTHING either.

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Reply # 1505292 2-Mar-2016 23:47

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Who was it who said all publicity is good publicity? I'm not arguing that Americans give a stuff about what kiwis think, or even know that kiwis exist, I'm just saying that campaign workers will respond to any mention of their candidate that appears. This is a general principle of electioneering. It has nothing to do with any direct value attached to the response. It is the same reflex that causes American business people to hand out their cards to anyone and everyone they meet, because 'you never know...'

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Reply # 1505294 3-Mar-2016 00:00

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I don't think you can overlay NZ thinking onto an American election and expect to arrive at the same answer as the people who have to live and work there every day.

For example, we have some gay friends who are American. As you would expect they are fairly liberal. When Obama was elected, they were pleased.

I saw one of them at the weekend and he said that they were very unimpressed with the mess that Obama had made and that whilst Trump was a bit OTT they could see a number of aspects of his offer that they would vote for.

My brother in California moans frequently about Mexicans (except, oddly, the one that does his yard and pool for $5/hr...!) and about Obamacare.

Americans probably think we are stark raving mad here handing out so much cash in social welfare etc and would probably die laughing if you suggested that they adopt some sort of ToW approach to their native Americans.

To borrow from Lord Bowen, the American "man on the Clapham omnibus" has a different view of his world than the NZ "man on the Clapham omnibus" and at the end of the day it is a bit of a hiding to nothing to categorise an entire nation as mad, bad or indifferent because they did what to them seemed right. The underlying, unspoken implication that we here in NZ are so much smarter is hubris on a grand scale.

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Reply # 1505310 3-Mar-2016 06:19

networkn:
quickymart:

turnin: Maybe Trump should win,
Perhaps it is what is needed to wake people up to realise there is a better measure of governance ,prosperity ,health and education than a balance sheet.
Trump occurs to me as a knee jerk reaction.
I love that he is against lobbying, but his beat up the middle East, lock out the Mexicans etc. I need say no more.

I know it's a bit like saying the best thing a kid can do is learn by falling over , but the US might become a better place by getting what it deserves, and I really do believe it's going to get what it deserves

While I see where you're coming from, I have family I care about (and my wife is an American citizen who lives here and votes there). I wouldn't want them to suffer 4 minutes of "governance" under this clown.

I read somewhere that if Trump (somehow) wins, it's doubtful he will last more than a week in the job, as some nutjob will attempt to assassinate him. Problem with that is, the Vice President becomes President. And if he puts in Sarah Palin (another crackpot), well...God help America.

LOL If Obama survived 8 years, Trump will last more than a week. I recall all the dire predictions blah blah.

Trump will dictate until he dies. Then his clone(s) will take over.

Imagine a trump-putin-kim alliance ... A new world order ..

Swype on iOS is detrimental to accurate typing. Apologies in advance.

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Reply # 1505424 3-Mar-2016 10:20

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networkn:

quickymart:

turnin: Maybe Trump should win,
Perhaps it is what is needed to wake people up to realise there is a better measure of governance ,prosperity ,health and education than a balance sheet.
Trump occurs to me as a knee jerk reaction.
I love that he is against lobbying, but his beat up the middle East, lock out the Mexicans etc. I need say no more.

I know it's a bit like saying the best thing a kid can do is learn by falling over , but the US might become a better place by getting what it deserves, and I really do believe it's going to get what it deserves

While I see where you're coming from, I have family I care about (and my wife is an American citizen who lives here and votes there). I wouldn't want them to suffer 4 minutes of "governance" under this clown.

I read somewhere that if Trump (somehow) wins, it's doubtful he will last more than a week in the job, as some nutjob will attempt to assassinate him. Problem with that is, the Vice President becomes President. And if he puts in Sarah Palin (another crackpot), well...God help America.

LOL If Obama survived 8 years, Trump will last more than a week. I recall all the dire predictions blah blah.

Trump will dictate until he dies. Then his clone(s) will take over.

Imagine a trump-putin-kim alliance ... A new world order ..

I, for one, welcome our new ginger overlords....

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Reply # 1505427 3-Mar-2016 10:28

Potential VP in Trump Jr right here:

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-jr-joins-ranks-kkk-neo-nazis-pro-white-radio-article-1.2550293

Tldr; there is a Trump Jr, he works for dad. guest appearance scheduled on ahem 'pro white' radio show

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Reply # 1505429 3-Mar-2016 10:35

Geektastic:

Americans probably think we are stark raving mad here handing out so much cash in social welfare etc and would probably die laughing if you suggested that they adopt some sort of ToW approach to their native Americans.

I was having a discussion in another online forum with some Americans about their staunch refusal to embrace socialised healthcare. The two primary objections are (paraphrased) "Because our Government would stuff it up", and "Because it goes against our notion of Freedom".

The latter is particularly interesting to me. They see having to pay taxes to contribute towards socialised systems such as healthcare as being an affront to their freedom & liberty. With their system, they can decide whether they want to opt in to a health insurance plan (which provides pretty inadequate cover, based on the co-pays my US mates are always bitching about), or pay everything themselves. And they prefer the freedom of that arrangement, to being forced to cover others via a shared system funded from tax.

However, they did acknowledge that their system is fundamentally broken with regards to healthcare providers having health insurers over a barrel with regards to healthcare costs, and how that causes overly inflated costs. They were also envious of our ACC system, and the way it effectively curbs the litigious culture they have over there. They just don't see how socialised healthcare could fix any of this.

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Reply # 1505432 3-Mar-2016 10:42

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Nice graphics:

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Reply # 1505491 3-Mar-2016 12:59

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However, they did acknowledge that their system is fundamentally broken with regards to healthcare providers having health insurers over a barrel with regards to healthcare costs, and how that causes overly inflated costs. They were also envious of our ACC system, and the way it effectively curbs the litigious culture they have over there. They just don't see how socialised healthcare could fix any of this.

Tell your American friends that socialised medicine is the same as having a police force. People collectively pay taxes to fund a service that benefits them. Even in America, not everyone is a victim of a crime every day, but most people are happy in the knowledge that there are police around in case they do become a victim. Even the militia nutters who want to carry arms everywhere in their own 'defense' are usually not anti-police as such. So what is the difference with collectively paying for medical insurance even though you hope you won't need it, but you will be glad to have it if you do? What is the difference with other kinds of insurance, for that matter? People in America all pay car insurance, unless they are breaking the law, and they seem to be able to live with that. Or would they rather come here and not pay any insurance and gamble instead that they will not cause a million dollar accident?

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Reply # 1505501 3-Mar-2016 13:07

Rikkitic:

Tell your American friends that socialised medicine is the same as having a police force. People collectively pay taxes to fund a service that benefits them.

I know that, and you know that. But for some reason it's a leap that they're not willing to make when it comes to some socialised services.

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Reply # 1505523 3-Mar-2016 14:24

I noticed that too when I was there, Americans are very anti Government funded healthcare. Seeing Sicko was a real eye-opener. I won't travel there without health insurance.

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