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  Reply # 1505576 3-Mar-2016 16:04
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However, they did acknowledge that their system is fundamentally broken with regards to healthcare providers having health insurers over a barrel with regards to healthcare costs, and how that causes overly inflated costs. They were also envious of our ACC system, and the way it effectively curbs the litigious culture they have over there. They just don't see how socialised healthcare could fix any of this.

 

 

Tell your American friends that socialised medicine is the same as having a police force. People collectively pay taxes to fund a service that benefits them. Even in America, not everyone is a victim of a crime every day, but most people are happy in the knowledge that there are police around in case they do become a victim. Even the militia nutters who want to carry arms everywhere in their own 'defense' are usually not anti-police as such. So what is the difference with collectively paying for medical insurance even though you hope you won't need it, but you will be glad to have it if you do? What is the difference with other kinds of insurance, for that matter? People in America all pay car insurance, unless they are breaking the law, and they seem to be able to live with that. Or would they rather come here and not pay any insurance and gamble instead that they will not cause a million dollar accident?

 

 

 

 

I think many Americans would take a slightly altered view there.

 

They view the Police as an insurance policy that they have in addition to the CCW permit they have that allows them to go to Costco wearing their Glock. Americans prefer, IME, to be responsible for themselves rather than to contract that out to others. Police are good for assaulting drug lords, your personal weapon is good for putting down housebreakers etc.

 

Americans are very much geared to looking after themselves. They get to keep a lot more of their earnings than we do in order to facilitate that (for example mortgage payments and property taxes are tax deductions) and that is the way they like it. They do not collectively have great interest in providing for those who fall by the wayside, seemingly accepting that as inevitable.






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  Reply # 1505591 3-Mar-2016 17:21
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The problem with the law of the jungle is that it values the wrong things. Maybe you survive if you are faster and stronger and meaner than the competition. That doesn't mean you are more cultured, or compassionate, or ethical. Personally, I think it is a lousy way to live.

 

 





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  Reply # 1505593 3-Mar-2016 17:27
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The problem with the law of the jungle is that it values the wrong things. Maybe you survive if you are faster and stronger and meaner than the competition. That doesn't mean you are more cultured, or compassionate, or ethical. Personally, I think it is a lousy way to live.

 

 

 

 

Clearly the millions of immigrants who continue to flock to the US every year disagree with you - it certainly seems popular.






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  Reply # 1505610 3-Mar-2016 17:44
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Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The problem with the law of the jungle is that it values the wrong things. Maybe you survive if you are faster and stronger and meaner than the competition. That doesn't mean you are more cultured, or compassionate, or ethical. Personally, I think it is a lousy way to live.

 

 

 

 

Clearly the millions of immigrants who continue to flock to the US every year disagree with you - it certainly seems popular.

 

 

 

 

That's because the jungle they are coming from is even worse e.g. Mexico.


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Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The problem with the law of the jungle is that it values the wrong things. Maybe you survive if you are faster and stronger and meaner than the competition. That doesn't mean you are more cultured, or compassionate, or ethical. Personally, I think it is a lousy way to live.

 

 

 

 

Clearly the millions of immigrants who continue to flock to the US every year disagree with you - it certainly seems popular.

 

 

 

 

That's because the jungle they are coming from is even worse e.g. Mexico.

 

 

 

 

It'd be too bad for that argument - if data suggested that more are leaving the US than arriving in the US.


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  Reply # 1505643 3-Mar-2016 18:32
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SJB:

 

Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The problem with the law of the jungle is that it values the wrong things. Maybe you survive if you are faster and stronger and meaner than the competition. That doesn't mean you are more cultured, or compassionate, or ethical. Personally, I think it is a lousy way to live.

 

 

 

 

Clearly the millions of immigrants who continue to flock to the US every year disagree with you - it certainly seems popular.

 

 

 

 

That's because the jungle they are coming from is even worse e.g. Mexico.

 

 

 

 

Generally the people that flee there country of origin are escaping it because they've turned it into a awful place to live. I don't mind people coming here, I just wish they would leave their failed ideas and opinions back where they came from.


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Speaking of attitudes, there is a New York times report of polling indicating 20% of Trump's voters disagree with the proclamation of emacipation!

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gzt: Speaking of attitudes, there is a New York times report of polling indicating 20% of Trump's voters disagree with the proclamation of emacipation!

 

What percentage of Trump supporters would understand the question?  undecided





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gzt: Speaking of attitudes, there is a New York times report of polling indicating 20% of Trump's voters disagree with the proclamation of emacipation!

 

 

 

That surprises me not at all. You could probably extend that to a wider sample than Trump voters.

 

 

 

Friends of mine from Canada were visiting relatives in the Southern States and stopped at McDonalds for something to eat.

 

They were mildly surprised when, after sitting down to eat, a lady came up, leant over and said "Honey, y'all do realise this is a black McDonalds, right?" and they looked round and sure enough, they were the only white folks in there.






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Wow that's amazing. Where was that exactly? and what happened next?

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It is obvious that getting white nationalist types to the Republican primaries is a key part of Trump's strategy, on that basis he seems unwilling to risk offending them. I assume this will continue until at least the key primaries are over, or maybe as long as he can keep it up and get away with it however long that might be.

Edit: link to Salon article on Trump campaign issuing press credentials to a w.n character

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  Reply # 1505758 4-Mar-2016 06:48
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

They were mildly surprised when, after sitting down to eat, a lady came up, leant over and said "Honey, y'all do realise this is a black McDonalds, right?" and they looked round and sure enough, they were the only white folks in there.

 

 

 

 

And that right there, my friends, is The Land of the Free.

 

 





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michael001:

 

 

 

Generally the people that flee there country of origin are escaping it because they've turned it into a awful place to live. I don't mind people coming here, I just wish they would leave their failed ideas and opinions back where they came from.

 

 

Generally the people that flee their country of origin are escaping it because *someone* has turned it into an awful place to live. The people leaving obviously don't subscribe to the same ideas and opinions as the people who made their homeland impossible for them to live in. They may have different ideas and opinions from you. *I* certainly do.

 

 


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Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The problem with the law of the jungle is that it values the wrong things. Maybe you survive if you are faster and stronger and meaner than the competition. That doesn't mean you are more cultured, or compassionate, or ethical. Personally, I think it is a lousy way to live.

 

 

 

 

Clearly the millions of immigrants who continue to flock to the US every year disagree with you - it certainly seems popular.

 

 

 

 

The grass is always greener





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  Reply # 1505800 4-Mar-2016 08:42
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Mitt Romney has declared civil war within the Republican Party.

 

He has launched a blistering attack on Trump. (probably too late)

 

Romney  (3 hours ago)  My remarks on the state of the 2016 presidential race

 

(full text and video of his speech)

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