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#1708175 23-Jan-2017 16:43

ajobbins:

At least Trump has Rupert on his side. Fox seem to be about the only outlet that don't have the "alternative facts story as a headline on their website". In fact there is no story about this whatsoever on Fox - they have totally avoided it.

Most of the trouble started with the issue with Megan Kelly..who has now left Fox. From what i saw of watching Fox during the campaign, they seemed to be part of Trumps team...it was incredible. I did enjoy watching CNN's coverage which seemed more balanced.

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#1708202 23-Jan-2017 17:32

Another weird Trump fact.

H1B visas was set up by President Bush in 1990, to allow highly trained and educated people get work US visas.

Google and Apple, and many other US tech giants, use it extensively.

In a weird quirk, super-models may also apply to H-1B.

Well, guess which super-model got one: Melania Trump.

Trump stated in Republican debate in March to relying on the H-1B program for his own businesses, but admitting he "shouldn’t be allowed to use it" and adding, "We shouldn’t have it. Very, very bad for workers."

To me, the H1B reform talk rings a little hypocritical from Trump.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3104591/h1b/melania-trumps-h-1b-controversy-explained.html

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#1708205 23-Jan-2017 17:42

I still have an old (expired) Brazilian passport with a H1B visa - issued in early 90s while I worked for a US company. Good times. Lucky I'm not under investigation by Trump officials for being a "foreigner taking American jobs"

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#1708208 23-Jan-2017 17:53

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@rmt38: From what I understand Obama primarily ruled by executive order, lacking the ability to pass laws via the house and the senate where the citizen's representatives vote on them. Either Trump eschews executive orders and rules by house and senate voted bills, or does what Obama was already doing.

So Trump cannot be more of a dictator than Obama already was being? What am I missing?

Let me see... Number of executive orders by President:

Obama: 277
George W. Bush: 291
Bill Clinton: 364
George H Bush: 166
Ronald Reagan: 381
Jimmy Carter: 321
It seems to me there are other presidents who issued more orders than Obama. Your point is moot.

I am not certain those numbers are in and of themselves proof of that. The evidence that would be more compelling, would be how many he (Obama) would have made if the senate and the house were Democrat during his time in charge (Because then legislation could have come through the different channels.

Variances in Executive order quantities could be for many reasons.

I have no proof it's wrong or right, just an analysis of the numbers as such.

I guess it could also be partially extrapolated by determining what he orders were for :)

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#1708213 23-Jan-2017 18:06

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I really don't understand those who defend Trump, I just cannot understand why they defend someone who is such a horrible human being?

I don't feel there is anyone here that supports him , aside from a recent triller whose posts are TL:DR who has been banned

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#1708214 23-Jan-2017 18:11

tdgeek:
driller2000:

I really don't understand those who defend Trump, I just cannot understand why they defend someone who is such a horrible human being?

I don't feel there is anyone here that supports him , aside from a recent triller whose posts are TL:DR who has been banned

I hear he's happy in his new job as White House spokesman.

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#1708220 23-Jan-2017 18:19

freitasm:

Lucky I'm not under investigation by Trump officials for being a "foreigner taking American jobs"

Who says you aren't....

Twitter: ajobbins

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#1708222 23-Jan-2017 18:27

DarthKermit:
tdgeek:
driller2000:

I really don't understand those who defend Trump, I just cannot understand why they defend someone who is such a horrible human being?

I don't feel there is anyone here that supports him , aside from a recent triller whose posts are TL:DR who has been banned

I hear he's happy in his new job as White House spokesman.

I heard his printer keeps running out of ink!

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#1708225 23-Jan-2017 18:37

freitasm:

@rmt38: From what I understand Obama primarily ruled by executive order, lacking the ability to pass laws via the house and the senate where the citizen's representatives vote on them. Either Trump eschews executive orders and rules by house and senate voted bills, or does what Obama was already doing.

So Trump cannot be more of a dictator than Obama already was being? What am I missing?

Let me see... Number of executive orders by President:

Obama: 277
George W. Bush: 291
Bill Clinton: 364
George H Bush: 166
Ronald Reagan: 381
Jimmy Carter: 321
It seems to me there are other presidents who issued more orders than Obama. Your point is moot.

No, my point is not moot. It still stands, and this merely adds more support for it. There is no rational basis at this point to claim that Trump is a dictator and lament about it. Not only Obama but past presidents on both sides that abused executive orders already, bypassing the house and senate representatives voting in a democratic manner.

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#1708226 23-Jan-2017 18:40

It's also worth noting that all of those presidents served 2 terms except GHB and if you doubled his number.... They are almost exactly on par.

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#1708232 23-Jan-2017 18:54

It's pretty clear Trump admires Ronald Raegan. He will be somewhat similar. Issuing a high number of executive orders. For the left learners, sorry Trump may sound like a nightmare but he won't be that bad... keep doing your thing to try and keep him in line and thank your lucky stars for Madis. For the right I see some are excited about the headway he will make in a completely different direction to Obama.

I personally liked Obama, he is a brilliantly oritor and he will write a book that will be amazing. Obama believes that Trump won't be as crazy as some make it out to be. He will repeal left policies, he will have a few new ones of his own, including a wall which sounds stupid and insane, however we LIVE ON AN ISLAND just like Australia and the UK. Our immigration problems are somewhat different to what the USA experiences. Trump is old school and believes that he can bring the manufacturing jobs back from China. I don't think that will happen, but it propelled him into power. There are so many opinion pieces in the media that are Anti Trump and although I don't like him, and he is a racist pig, I don't know what sort of president he will become. He has a soft spot for some democratic politics so let's wait and see.

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#1708236 23-Jan-2017 19:03

tdgeek:
driller2000:

I really don't understand those who defend Trump, I just cannot understand why they defend someone who is such a horrible human being?

I don't feel there is anyone here that supports him , aside from a recent triller whose posts are TL:DR who has been banned

I support Trump and consider most of the complaints about him to be irrational. I consider your feeling that there is no-one here who supports him to be directly related to the hidden voter problem in the pre-election polls. People feel so strongly that he is "horrible" and "hates the disabled" and "is a nazi" and will be a "dictator" and so on, that if you do support him and speak out, you are punished for it or cast as a deplorable. And they (not necessarily the person I am replying to) can't conceive there is support by people who don't believe what they believe, and that if there are those who support him then surely they must be racists and other deplorable things.

The hyperbole (and what seems to me to be mindless repetition of fake news) against Trump is so strongly believed by the faction who believe it, that it is really discouraging for Trump supporters to post. I fully expected to be labelled a troll posting here due to the lack of tolerance in political beliefs other than anti-Trump that is most vocal these days, in most every forum I frequent (reddit, and other places). I am excited by the thought of what a successful businessman might accomplish as POTUS.

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#1708243 23-Jan-2017 19:06

darylblake: ... and he is a racist pig, ...

I have not seen any persuasive evidence he is a racist pig. He has a multicultural staff in his business, and in his political appointments. I suspect given the unsupported nature of the label you gave him, you are not happy with his desire to secure the Mexican border. This racist pig label has as much weight as the claims he hates the LGBT, made a couple of pages ago.

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#1708244 23-Jan-2017 19:10

rmt38:

tdgeek:
driller2000:

I really don't understand those who defend Trump, I just cannot understand why they defend someone who is such a horrible human being?

I don't feel there is anyone here that supports him , aside from a recent triller whose posts are TL:DR who has been banned

I support Trump and consider most of the complaints about him to be irrational. I consider your feeling that there is no-one here who supports him to be directly related to the hidden voter problem in the pre-election polls. People feel so strongly that he is "horrible" and "hates the disabled" and "is a nazi" and will be a "dictator" and so on, that if you do support him and speak out, you are punished for it or cast as a deplorable. And they (not necessarily the person I am replying to) can't conceive there is support by people who don't believe what they believe, and that if there are those who support him then surely they must be racists and other deplorable things.

The hyperbole (and what seems to me to be mindless repetition of fake news) against Trump is so strongly believed by the faction who believe it, that it is really discouraging for Trump supporters to post. I fully expected to be labelled a troll posting here due to the lack of tolerance in political beliefs other than anti-Trump that is most vocal these days, in most every forum I frequent (reddit, and other places). I am excited by the thought of what a successful businessman might accomplish as POTUS.

See? Now you are making clear your support, in a way that's better than before. In previous posts it was all confrontational but this one is rational.

No one is going to accuse you of trolling if you are rational. But talking about "fake news" is not really rational. For example when you wrote that Trump did not disrespect women or make fun of disabled I posted video evidence of this happening - and you did not refute that. If it's a recording it can't be fake news, that was my point.

"Fake news" can be either propaganda (from both sides) or can be a "Look they disagree with me, it's FAKE!" and in either cases it is bad.

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#1708245 23-Jan-2017 19:10

rmt38:
darylblake: ... and he is a racist pig, ...

I have not seen any persuasive evidence he is a racist pig. He has a multicultural staff in his business, and in his political appointments. I suspect given the unsupported nature of the label you gave him, you are not happy with his desire to secure the Mexican border. This racist pig label has as much weight as the claims he hates the LGBT, made a couple of pages ago.

Dude I am not completely anti-trump, but it's clear he is racist & sexist. This has been proven from his own potty mouth.
It doesn't mean his leadership and policies will be bad. We must give him a chance.

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