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  #1708285 23-Jan-2017 20:22
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  #1708292 23-Jan-2017 20:29
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darylblake: It's pretty clear Trump admires Ronald Reagan.

 

And imagines himself as a "Kennedy like" figure with a bit of glamour on the side.

 

As for Reagan:

 

 

That's accurate IMO.  Many Americans would consider that insulting and unpatriotic - but many others like it.

 

One thing Trump emulates very well was Reagan's innovative twisting of the idea that a person should cast their vote for a leader best representing their own interests, while conning the "blue collar" workers to vote for the GOP who've always worked directly against their interests.  That has persisted to the point that the alt:right in attacking the Democrats, portray them as the "liberal elite".


 
 
 
 


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  #1708293 23-Jan-2017 20:30
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Why doesn't this conclusion surprise me?

 

 





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  #1708294 23-Jan-2017 20:30
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Wow, and I thought Trump was deluded.... Seems his supporters share the mass delusion. I wonder if there was something in the water?


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  #1708311 23-Jan-2017 20:55
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I'm quite convinced that many Trump supporters genuinely believe that people who are morally outraged by Trump (let alone distrustful of his motives and agenda) are deluded.

 

Trumpism could become a cult - it's not far away from that already.

 

 


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  #1708314 23-Jan-2017 21:00
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Fred99:

 

Trumpism could become a cult - it's not far away from that already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was thinking the same thing. It is self perpetuating. I think the more and more the media picks at him, the more it will divide.

 

I also guess Micheal Moore was wrong about Trump not making it to President.


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  #1708327 23-Jan-2017 21:21
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

 

 

I also guess Micheal Moore was wrong about Trump not making it to President.

 

 

??? Moore was one of the very few who predicted he would win.

 

 





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  #1708344 23-Jan-2017 22:12
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Rikkitic:

 

mattwnz:

 

 

 

 

 

I also guess Micheal Moore was wrong about Trump not making it to President.

 

 

??? Moore was one of the very few who predicted he would win.

 

 

 

 

 

 

and Professor Lichtman who correctly predicted every election outcome since 1984. Not too shabby, although i was positive he got Trump wrong..haha.


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  #1708407 24-Jan-2017 07:13
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mattwnz:

 

Fred99:

 

Trumpism could become a cult - it's not far away from that already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was thinking the same thing. It is self perpetuating. I think the more and more the media picks at him, the more it will divide.

 

I also guess Micheal Moore was wrong about Trump not making it to President.

 

 

What he said and did in the campaign was often bad, out there, etc, but he got so much publicity, it became a Trump show. We all hate bad ads, but we know them in more detail that the good ads. Psychology winning against reality 


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  #1708408 24-Jan-2017 07:18
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There you go TPP is as good as dead. I guess he has done the NZ left a favor

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  #1708415 24-Jan-2017 08:02
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Every cloud has a silver lining.

 

 





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  #1708418 24-Jan-2017 08:05
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Easy Executive Order. TPP wasnt that popular there, it isn't in place, so not really a call to action by Trump. Neither is the abortion order, thats standard practice. Still waiting for real action, but off course, its early days .


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  #1708434 24-Jan-2017 09:19
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Celebrating the demise of TPP because it gets us out of the included IP clauses and ISDS provisions is extremely premature.

 

Trump's canning of TPP is symbolic, as it hadn't been ratified.  He's made it very clear that his aim is bilateral agreements.  He's also made it very clear that the future will be "America First".  Multilateral deals suit smaller countries such as NZ - several/many small parties negotiating together can have more influence on major parties.

 

Trump's expressed wish is to negotiate bilateral trade deals.  What will be negotiated when the USA comes knocking is very hypothetical.  The USA would first "need something" - NZ is a drop in the ocean - so I don't expect they'll be knocking on our door any time soon.  More probable is that it's NZ who'll have no choice but to go knocking on the USA's door.  To use the agricultural vernacular, we'll be "sucking the hind tit".  It's unimaginable to me that any future (bilateral) deal with the Trump USA wouldn't be lumbered with many non-trade demands - and those might be very unpopular in NZ - much worse (IMO) than what was in TPP.

 

As for women's reproductive rights, as usual being regulated by a group of old conservative men influenced by an ancient book they purport to represent the wishes of the "invisible man in the sky" - it screams hypocrisy when they simultaneously attack the muslim world and the threat posed by shariah, for they are the same.


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  #1708437 24-Jan-2017 09:41
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Bill English wants to continue pushing for the TPPA with the remaining countries anyway, so we still face IP law changes and ISDS.

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  #1708438 24-Jan-2017 09:42
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I dont recall celebrating the demise of TPP, I merely commented that its a non event for the reasons you stated. The abortion issue changes every change of party, they may as well make some copies for when the Demo's get back in, in the future


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