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  Reply # 1506650 5-Mar-2016 22:53
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MikeB4: On a different note about the US election, they gained independence, established their Republic then had a meeting to develop the must confused, convoluted and expensive electoral system ever.

 

The founding fathers probably didn't anticipate there would be only 2 political parties. That's one of the problems.

 

They also didn't anticipate people walking into a KFC carrying a semi automatic weapon under the right to bear arms.

 

So they certainly made one or two bloopers.


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  Reply # 1506656 5-Mar-2016 23:10
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blakamin:

 

MikeB4:
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joker97: <snip> [ 50% of America hate Clinton, swearing never to vote for her. ]

 

 

 

What is your source?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even without one,

 

 

 

A) she's a woman

 

 

 

B) she's married to an ex-president that all republicans hated. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Being a woman is a bad thing???

 

Seriously? You know what re(dneck)publicans think of women.

 

They're the 2 reasons the golden haired clown is winning ATM and the only reason he could be president.

 

 

 

Oh and the fact democrats voted in Obama... In case you missed it, he isn't white, and it turns out lots of people don't like that.

 

I remember his inauguration and was actually scared he was gunna be topped. 

 

 

 

You think the republicans will put up with an african-american and then a woman??? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Obama bit is definitely true.

 

 

 

Within a few weeks of him being elected, I received from a friend in the US a round robin kind of email with a picture of all the living presidents standing in the White House. The caption was straight out of Sesame Street:

 

 

 

"One of these things is not like the other ones."






 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1506855 6-Mar-2016 12:32
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Rikkitic:

 

What interests me about this line of the thread is how the male-centric comments about women seem to imply that there are no woman voters! The statements are all about how 'voters' (at least 'Republican voters') won't accept a female leader for whatever reason. Here is a newsflash, people: half of those voters, including the Republicans, are, in fact, women. Or are you suggesting that little wifie will just stay home or meekly do whatever her all-powerful man tells her to?

 

 

 

 

If you're from the religious right of the Republican Party then yes that's what will happen.





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  Reply # 1507046 6-Mar-2016 17:57
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Very interesting results today. Cruz crushed Trump in Kansas, won Maine and narrowly lost to Trump in Kentucky and Louisiana. What was most interesting was the early (pre-election day) votes in both Louisiana and Kentucky were hugely pro-Trump while the election day votes were much closer.

There's still a long way to go in this race and while Trump has a strong lead he's not as far ahead in the delegate count as the media would have you believe. After March 15th the Republican primaries are all winner take all rather than proportional so there could be some huge wings still to come.

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  Reply # 1507053 6-Mar-2016 18:08
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Rikkitic: The US population is over 320 million. There are plenty of conservative fundamentalists of both sexes. Also lots of ultra-liberals. It all depends on who you talk to. I don't see your experience or mine providing a definitive picture or being in any way contradictory.

 

What is an "ultra-liberal"?  undecided

 

The word "liberal" appears to be used as a derogatory term in US politics.  I find this confusing.

 

Does "ultra-liberal" mean "centre-left" in New Zealand?

 

Could any North American Geekzoners please enlighten us?





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Sideface:

 

Rikkitic: The US population is over 320 million. There are plenty of conservative fundamentalists of both sexes. Also lots of ultra-liberals. It all depends on who you talk to. I don't see your experience or mine providing a definitive picture or being in any way contradictory.

 

What is an "ultra-liberal"?  undecided

 

The word "liberal" appears to be used as a derogatory term in US politics.  I find this confusing.

 

Does "ultra-liberal" mean "centre-left" in New Zealand?

 

Could any North American Geekzoners please enlighten us?

 

 

 

 

Even in America there are plenty of enlightened, progressive, unweaponed individuals who still believe that kindness matters more than money. Those who think the term is an insult probably also think the world is 6,000 years old and dinosaur fossils were just put there to fool us. I don't know what side of the political spectrum being 'liberal' puts you on. I hate the whole left wing right wing chicken wing thing anyway. Can't someone wear a suit and vote Conservative and still be a nice person who wants to help others? Can't someone who hugs trees aspire to a better job and home ownership? If we ever get past the labels we might discover a whole new world out there.

 

 





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  Reply # 1507279 7-Mar-2016 09:41
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 I have yet to see Trump show any sort of "plan" for American regarding Education, Budget, Military or most importantly economic growth and Jobs? I know he makes trite little soundbites and makes rash promises, but not a single hard bit of planning. He has run a business but I seriously doubt understands the national budget, or economics at all.

 

It's alarming to me, that it's not alarming for those people who are voting for him, given they are the same ones who wouldn't vote for Obama because apparently he couldn't save the country from Financial Melt downs and Massive unemployment.


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  Reply # 1507284 7-Mar-2016 09:49
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It's been said, the Americans see it as an election, while the world sees it as an IQ test for Americans.

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  Reply # 1507287 7-Mar-2016 09:52
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 I have yet to see Trump show any sort of "plan" for American regarding Education, Budget, Military or most importantly economic growth and Jobs? I know he makes trite little soundbites and makes rash promises, but not a single hard bit of planning. He has run a business but I seriously doubt understands the national budget, or economics at all.

 

It's alarming to me, that it's not alarming for those people who are voting for him, given they are the same ones who wouldn't vote for Obama because apparently he couldn't save the country from Financial Melt downs and Massive unemployment.

 

 

He's run a lot of businesses. Quite a few of them failures. I would be surprised to find he has any sort of plan for anything other than being Trump.





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  Reply # 1507292 7-Mar-2016 10:04
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SaltyNZ:

 

networkn:

 

 I have yet to see Trump show any sort of "plan" for American regarding Education, Budget, Military or most importantly economic growth and Jobs? I know he makes trite little soundbites and makes rash promises, but not a single hard bit of planning. He has run a business but I seriously doubt understands the national budget, or economics at all.

 

It's alarming to me, that it's not alarming for those people who are voting for him, given they are the same ones who wouldn't vote for Obama because apparently he couldn't save the country from Financial Melt downs and Massive unemployment.

 

 

He's run a lot of businesses. Quite a few of them failures. I would be surprised to find he has any sort of plan for anything other than being Trump.

 

 

Right, but without going too far into defending him, not ALL those failures were a result of HIS mismanagement. Lots of stuff has his name on it, but he isn't directly responsible for the day to day running of those operations. 

 

I am not saying he isn't a pillock, I am just saying that a business failure sometimes has nothing much to do with who's name is on the door.


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networkn:

 

 I have yet to see Trump show any sort of "plan" for American regarding Education, Budget, Military or most importantly economic growth and Jobs? I know he makes trite little soundbites and makes rash promises, but not a single hard bit of planning. He has run a business but I seriously doubt understands the national budget, or economics at all.

 

It's alarming to me, that it's not alarming for those people who are voting for him, given they are the same ones who wouldn't vote for Obama because apparently he couldn't save the country from Financial Melt downs and Massive unemployment.

 

 

 

 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

 

Put aside Trump's serial lies, misogyny, racism, threats etc, and the curious thing is that he's actually relatively liberal/moderate compared to who now looks like the other contender - Cruz.

 

In some ways I'd rather see a not-credible buffoon like Trump trying to run the show, rather than a serious but perceived to be "credible" moral conservative anti-liberal religious nutter. 

 

Trump is getting all the attention - most of it negative (and self-inflicted).  Cruz is getting very little scrutiny - and heaven forbid there's even a notion being pushed that he's a "Kennedy" figure - when the truth is that there hasn't been such a conservative Republican president elected in living memory as Cruz would be.

 

Actually my worst nightmare, that Cruz wins the nomination, that of those 45% of non-voters who might have bothered to vote for presumably Clinton against Trump, they might just stay at home and not vote under the mistaken belief that Cruz is a "moderate" conservative with some great new ideas - when he most certainly is not.

 

 


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  Reply # 1507423 7-Mar-2016 12:56
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networkn:

 

 I have yet to see Trump show any sort of "plan" for American regarding Education, Budget, Military or most importantly economic growth and Jobs? I know he makes trite little soundbites and makes rash promises, but not a single hard bit of planning. He has run a business but I seriously doubt understands the national budget, or economics at all.

 

It's alarming to me, that it's not alarming for those people who are voting for him, given they are the same ones who wouldn't vote for Obama because apparently he couldn't save the country from Financial Melt downs and Massive unemployment.

 

 

 

 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

 

Put aside Trump's serial lies, misogyny, racism, threats etc, and the curious thing is that he's actually relatively liberal/moderate compared to who now looks like the other contender - Cruz.

 

In some ways I'd rather see a not-credible buffoon like Trump trying to run the show, rather than a serious but perceived to be "credible" moral conservative anti-liberal religious nutter. 

 

Trump is getting all the attention - most of it negative (and self-inflicted).  Cruz is getting very little scrutiny - and heaven forbid there's even a notion being pushed that he's a "Kennedy" figure - when the truth is that there hasn't been such a conservative Republican president elected in living memory as Cruz would be.

 

Actually my worst nightmare, that Cruz wins the nomination, that of those 45% of non-voters who might have bothered to vote for presumably Clinton against Trump, they might just stay at home and not vote under the mistaken belief that Cruz is a "moderate" conservative with some great new ideas - when he most certainly is not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you predict happens to the USA if Cruz gets in?


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  Reply # 1507429 7-Mar-2016 13:08
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Wow. You're talking about the still-most-powerful nation on earth being commanded by a religious extremist who talks to god, takes the bible literally, and probably believes in Manifest Destiny. What could possibly go wrong?





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Rikkitic:

 

Wow. You're talking about the still-most-powerful nation on earth being commanded by a religious extremist who talks to god, takes the bible literally, and probably believes in Manifest Destiny. What could possibly go wrong?

 



 

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