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  # 1723765 21-Feb-2017 14:47
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Fred99:

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Every page on there is about how he lies, and all the other accusations, all of which are true. But thats all that gets repeated over and over. What about what will happen to all the key issues WHEN he takes actions? Thats not discussed



Why do you think Trump held a Nuremberg-style rally a couple of days ago?


 


I have not seen footage of this yet. What made it a Nuremberg style rally? Are there three or so points that made it?

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  # 1723789 21-Feb-2017 14:51
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Dingbatt: I listened with interest to British MPs objecting to the visit of President Trump because of his stance on Women, Religion and freedom of the press. I wonder if there would be the same outcry for a visit by the King of Saudi Arabia?
I don't like a lot of what Trump stands for, but don't like hypocrisy much either.....

 

You make a good point. I guess in the case of Saudi Arabia the excuse would be that it is their culture or something equally lame. 

 

 





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  # 1723799 21-Feb-2017 14:59
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MikeB4: I have lived through many decades of imminent apocalypse yet here we still are. The biggest concern and the most likely cause of our demise is climate change and that is where Mr Trump really worries me.

 

It's a very good point. The long term effects of the Trump administration are something that should be considered.

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  # 1724262 22-Feb-2017 09:43
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MikeB4: I have lived through many decades of imminent apocalypse yet here we still are. The biggest concern and the most likely cause of our demise is climate change and that is where Mr Trump really worries me.
It's a very good point. The long term effects of the Trump administration are something that should be considered.

 

Needs to be revised perhaps with a small "t" for Trump - a capital "A" for administration.

 

Who knows if Trump will survive his term - or make it to the end of the year?  While there's probably plenty of reason for impeaching him already, I wager that he serves his full term.

 

Bannon is a very dangerous evil person - and can do a lot of damage behind the scenes.  And that's a problem - his agenda certainly includes weakening the EU - at least by promoting (christian / anti-muslim) nationalism within member states.  As well as favouring bilateral trade *with conditions attached* over multilateral agreements. It's pretty clear that America First "isolationism" isn't going to mean less interference by the USA on global issues.  Trump states he is going to "rebuild" the military - nuclear, navy, air force.  Remarkable in that the US already spends more on military than the combined total for China, Russia, the UK, France and Germany.

 

Bannon doesn't need executive orders from Trump or congress to do what he's doing - he just needs to use his networking skills and the alt:right - and to distance the POTUS from his agenda. While he's almost certainly working to destabilise EU member states, if the public in those member states see that they're being manipulated by Bannon/Trump, they'll harden against separatist/nationalist movements - nobody likes Uncle Sam interfering in their own domestic politics.  Bannon put Trump in power - not his "ideal president" of course - IIRC Bannon called Trump as a "blunt instrument" (to achieve his goals).

 

Yes - climate change is a big problem.  Time will tell whether it should be our "biggest concern".  It's not mine - as some of the impact of wind-back on emissions will be very slow - or not happen at all (IMO the USA won't be suddenly rebuilding a massive coal-based industry - as it's not economically viable - it's mainly BS to keep the morons in declining coal-based economies loyal to Trump for the time being).

 

When the WWC start realising they've been had, what Trump then does as populist leader to gain support (if he's still POTUS of course) - that's perhaps the biggest danger. If getting rid of enemies by "draining the swamp" loses credibility, there's a need to create/define new enemies.


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  # 1724282 22-Feb-2017 09:58
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gzt:
MikeB4: I have lived through many decades of imminent apocalypse yet here we still are. The biggest concern and the most likely cause of our demise is climate change and that is where Mr Trump really worries me.
It's a very good point. The long term effects of the Trump administration are something that should be considered.

 

Needs to be revised perhaps with a small "t" for Trump - a capital "A" for administration.

 

Who knows if Trump will survive his term - or make it to the end of the year?  While there's probably plenty of reason for impeaching him already, I wager that he serves his full term.

 

Bannon is a very dangerous evil person - and can do a lot of damage behind the scenes.  And that's a problem - his agenda certainly includes weakening the EU - at least by promoting (christian / anti-muslim) nationalism within member states.  As well as favouring bilateral trade *with conditions attached* over multilateral agreements. It's pretty clear that America First "isolationism" isn't going to mean less interference by the USA on global issues.  Trump states he is going to "rebuild" the military - nuclear, navy, air force.  Remarkable in that the US already spends more on military than the combined total for China, Russia, the UK, France and Germany.

 

Bannon doesn't need executive orders from Trump or congress to do what he's doing - he just needs to use his networking skills and the alt:right - and to distance the POTUS from his agenda. While he's almost certainly working to destabilise EU member states, if the public in those member states see that they're being manipulated by Bannon/Trump, they'll harden against separatist/nationalist movements - nobody likes Uncle Sam interfering in their own domestic politics.  Bannon put Trump in power - not his "ideal president" of course - IIRC Bannon called Trump as a "blunt instrument" (to achieve his goals).

 

Yes - climate change is a big problem.  Time will tell whether it should be our "biggest concern".  It's not mine - as some of the impact of wind-back on emissions will be very slow - or not happen at all (IMO the USA won't be suddenly rebuilding a massive coal-based industry - as it's not economically viable - it's mainly BS to keep the morons in declining coal-based economies loyal to Trump for the time being).

 

When the WWC start realising they've been had, what Trump then does as populist leader to gain support (if he's still POTUS of course) - that's perhaps the biggest danger. If getting rid of enemies by "draining the swamp" loses credibility, there's a need to create/define new enemies.

 

 

As you say, will he make it to year end?  Enough BS has happened in 4 weeks, to give plenty of ammo in 4 months to end him. I get the feeling that McCain wants to take over as POTUS. He has been a past contender, is very active at tearing into Trump in public, and not knowing much about him, is "ok"? 

 

To me, the bottom line is all these goings on are being aired in public, scrutinised in public, and laughed at and jeered by many in the US and globally. Its not like a normal POTUS who isn't great, gets little done, Trump is in everyones face, and while he uses his publicity need to get "support" and criticise others, most aren't stupid.


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  # 1724283 22-Feb-2017 10:00
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The he will be gone, back to normal. With little real effect.


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  # 1724286 22-Feb-2017 10:06
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tdgeek:

 

The he will be gone, back to normal. With little real effect.

 

 

 

 

The effects of the Trump era will be real and very long term. His denial of climate change and planned roll back of protections may well doom the planet. Time is running out and the climate change tipping point grows ever closer. This is by far the biggest risk we face with this President and the issue that should greatly concern all as it not only impacts us but all future generations.





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  # 1724292 22-Feb-2017 10:16
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MikeB4:

 

tdgeek:

 

The he will be gone, back to normal. With little real effect.

 

 

 

 

The effects of the Trump era will be real and very long term. His denial of climate change and planned roll back of protections may well doom the planet. Time is running out and the climate change tipping point grows ever closer. This is by far the biggest risk we face with this President and the issue that should greatly concern all as it not only impacts us but all future generations.

 

 

If he lasted a term, the next POTUS will correct his doings, and if he lasted till end of this year, the same. Now, if his term was 8 years, and he was less of an idiot so wont get removed, yes, that would be a worry as its 8 years wasted, but IMHO, his actions are very short term, and the bad actions will be reversed pronto. No doubt that will be a campaign promise of whoever gets the GOP numbers to enact a coup/takeover/revolt. They should talk to OZ, they have plenty of experience there!


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  # 1724293 22-Feb-2017 10:18
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tdgeek:

 

I get the feeling that McCain wants to take over as POTUS. He has been a past contender, is very active at tearing into Trump in public, and not knowing much about him, is "ok"? 

 

 

McCain isn't in the line of succession,or do you mean via an election?

 

The VeeP is next, followed by speaker of the house and a bunch of others none of whom is McCain.

 

But they have never had to go beyond the VeeP for succession.

 

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  # 1724301 22-Feb-2017 10:33
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I get the feeling that McCain wants to take over as POTUS. He has been a past contender, is very active at tearing into Trump in public, and not knowing much about him, is "ok"? 

 

 

Is he okay?

 

Somewhat random IMO.  Perhaps verification of him being "Okay" is that despite him choosing Palin as VP running mate in 2008, he's ripping in to Trump.  But he's not following up - and voting against the GOP.

 

As I understand it he's a "classic liberal" - very uncomfortable therefore with making compromises to Trump's authoritarianism which he'd find almost as repugnant as socialism.  I assume that he chose Palin as a pragmatic move knowing that he had to placate the tea party movement to have any hope at all of defeating the Democrats following the GWB presidency. But I guess he wouldn't have been comfortable with her as running mate.

 

He has zero chance of ever becoming POTUS.  The "new" alt:right GOP thoroughly despises him for daring to criticise Trump.  They are waging an intense cyber-war campaign / bot attack on every unmoderated forum to discredit him as a "RINO" (republican in name only), accusing him of being a "stool pigeon" when a POW, accusing him of causing an accident on an aircraft carrier which killed 150 servicemen, arguing that his distinguished military record is fake.  They say much worse about him on Breitbart of course.


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  # 1724305 22-Feb-2017 10:45
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I was thinking along the lines that as more and more Republican Senators and others go against Trump that it might be someone who puts their hand up, gets support and numbers and seeks to overthrow Trump. For the GOP they would want a new POTUS with some credibility to take to the next election. Along the lines of OZ's frequent overthrows. Assuming that fits into the Constitution. An impeachment is more longer shot, frought with issues I would have thought


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  # 1724313 22-Feb-2017 10:59
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Fred99:

 

tdgeek:

 

I get the feeling that McCain wants to take over as POTUS. He has been a past contender, is very active at tearing into Trump in public, and not knowing much about him, is "ok"? 

 

 

Is he okay?

 

Somewhat random IMO.  Perhaps verification of him being "Okay" is that despite him choosing Palin as VP running mate in 2008, he's ripping in to Trump.  But he's not following up - and voting against the GOP.

 

As I understand it he's a "classic liberal" - very uncomfortable therefore with making compromises to Trump's authoritarianism which he'd find almost as repugnant as socialism.  I assume that he chose Palin as a pragmatic move knowing that he had to placate the tea party movement to have any hope at all of defeating the Democrats following the GWB presidency. But I guess he wouldn't have been comfortable with her as running mate.

 

He has zero chance of ever becoming POTUS.  The "new" alt:right GOP thoroughly despises him for daring to criticise Trump.  They are waging an intense cyber-war campaign / bot attack on every unmoderated forum to discredit him as a "RINO" (republican in name only), accusing him of being a "stool pigeon" when a POW, accusing him of causing an accident on an aircraft carrier which killed 150 servicemen, arguing that his distinguished military record is fake.  They say much worse about him on Breitbart of course.

 

 

 

 

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  # 1724314 22-Feb-2017 11:01
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tdgeek:

 

I was thinking along the lines that as more and more Republican Senators and others go against Trump that it might be someone who puts their hand up, gets support and numbers and seeks to overthrow Trump. For the GOP they would want a new POTUS with some credibility to take to the next election. Along the lines of OZ's frequent overthrows. Assuming that fits into the Constitution. An impeachment is more longer shot, frought with issues I would have thought

 

 

 

 

Replacing a PM is relatively straight forward.

 

Apart from the fact that Trump would either have to resign, be impeached and convicted, or be removed from office with VP and congressional consent under section 4 of the 25th Amendment, dumping Trump would be short and mdium-term suicide for the GOP - or could be even worse - a terminal blow.

 

Some number of people - around or less than 40% of US voters polled - still "approve" of the POTUS despite his behavior.  Some smaller but significant number of them more than "approve" - they strongly (understatement) support him and show no signs of accepting any valid criticism of him at all.  Just say that's 30% - but that probably means that it's 60% of GOP voters.

 

At this time, there's no way that the GOP will move against Trump.


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  # 1724317 22-Feb-2017 11:11
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tdgeek:

 

I was thinking along the lines that as more and more Republican Senators and others go against Trump that it might be someone who puts their hand up, gets support and numbers and seeks to overthrow Trump. For the GOP they would want a new POTUS with some credibility to take to the next election. Along the lines of OZ's frequent overthrows. Assuming that fits into the Constitution. An impeachment is more longer shot, frought with issues I would have thought

 

 

 

 

Replacing a PM is relatively straight forward.

 

Apart from the fact that Trump would either have to resign, be impeached and convicted, or be removed from office with VP and congressional consent under section 4 of the 25th Amendment, dumping Trump would be short and mdium-term suicide for the GOP - or could be even worse - a terminal blow.

 

Some number of people - around or less than 40% of US voters polled - still "approve" of the POTUS despite his behavior.  Some smaller but significant number of them more than "approve" - they strongly (understatement) support him and show no signs of accepting any valid criticism of him at all.  Just say that's 30% - but that probably means that it's 60% of GOP voters.

 

At this time, there's no way that the GOP will move against Trump.

 

 

 

 

I agree the Republicans are not going to dump Mr Trump anytime soon, they have The Senate and Congress if that were to change then maybe there a ground swell to remove could happen.





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  # 1724320 22-Feb-2017 11:15
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Sarah Palin was awesome 

 

 

Yup - she's also perfectly climatically evolved - oops created by God - to serve as US ambassador to Canada.


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