The President Of The USA: Donald Trump

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# 1726223 25-Feb-2017 19:06

Fred99:

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... [Bannon] is a true fascist - and given his position, probably the most dangerous person on the planet.

Agreed.

It doesn't matter what definition of "fascist" you use, Bannon is a true fascist - and a real and present danger.

And nobody elected him.

Trump is just the "useful idiot".

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# 1726224 25-Feb-2017 19:10

dafman:

Just watched Trump's CPAC speech.

We are witnessing an attempt to establish a fascist state.

They may succeed.

This is scary.

CPAC is a party. Its like having a campaign meeting for the public, in an election campaign, and the only ones that are invited are the party faithful.

I think the fascist state is a BIG stretch. I do see your points, but what I see is so much focus on his antics, and not enough on reality, the Constitution, the lack of actually doing and talking about anything policy wise. Policies, action, talk on the policies and the future action has all but died. Its now all a reality show. And thus, it doesnt deserve much air time.

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# 1726239 25-Feb-2017 19:53

In the past, the US used to be a various colonies. There was a real fear of the constitution writers of giving too much power to the president, who might come to resemble an uncontrollable king. There are still some checks and balances.

Springing forward to today, most TV entertainment and comedians are from Los Angeles and New York. These are places where Trump is both well-known and despised. They will not be "pulling any punches" with Trump (such as Saturday Night Live and various late night talk shows).

I've been reading through CNN's website. They're not pulling any punches either.

So while it's bad, I think the US has hit bottom. I don't see it becoming a dictatorship.

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# 1726252 25-Feb-2017 20:46

kingdragonfly:

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Springing forward to today, most TV entertainment and comedians are from Los Angeles and New York. These are places where Trump is both well-known and despised. They will not be "pulling any punches" with Trump (such as Saturday Night Live and various late night talk shows).

I've been reading through CNN's website. They're not pulling any punches either.

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For the Trump Faithful, if it's not on Fox, it didn't happen.

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# 1726261 25-Feb-2017 21:16

https://youtu.be/l3WfPcn8f18

Sean Spicer saying they would ban media from the WH back in December.

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# 1726273 25-Feb-2017 22:30

throbb:

https://youtu.be/l3WfPcn8f18

Sean Spicer saying they would ban media from the WH back in December.

I presume you mean wouldn't because "That's what makes a democracy a democracy, versus a dictatorship." <Spicer in December>

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# 1726286 25-Feb-2017 23:03

tdgeek:

dafman:

Just watched Trump's CPAC speech.

We are witnessing an attempt to establish a fascist state.

They may succeed.

This is scary.

CPAC is a party. Its like having a campaign meeting for the public, in an election campaign, and the only ones that are invited are the party faithful.

I think the fascist state is a BIG stretch. I do see your points, but what I see is so much focus on his antics, and not enough on reality, the Constitution, the lack of actually doing and talking about anything policy wise. Policies, action, talk on the policies and the future action has all but died. Its now all a reality show. And thus, it doesnt deserve much air time.

Talk on future action hasn't died - it's just delayed by incompetence and an intense focus on campaigning.

What is coming out is that Bannon is running the White House, "grooming" Trump as populist leader.

Huge effort is going in to immunising Trump from impeachment by republican controlled houses. It's working too, Trump has tremendous support from GOP voters (~80% approval). That translates to ~40% approval by the public thus not consensus and an unprecedentedly low approval rating for a new president - but that's clearly not important, as driving the wedge is working. The USA is very dangerously divided.

You're wrong about it being a big stretch to a fascist state - Bannon is a fascist, he's smart, he is working to create a judeo-christian nationalist state. He believes that history is a succession of pivotal events - and he's going to create one. Trump is merely his tool. We'll see how he'll evade constitutional roadblocks - Trump should have already been impeached - but so far no problem.

He has probably used and outsmarted Putin too, Bannon despises what he calls "corporatism" - but he also strongly despises Putin's oligarchy.

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# 1726288 25-Feb-2017 23:10

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kingdragonfly:

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Springing forward to today, most TV entertainment and comedians are from Los Angeles and New York. These are places where Trump is both well-known and despised. They will not be "pulling any punches" with Trump (such as Saturday Night Live and various late night talk shows).

I've been reading through CNN's website. They're not pulling any punches either.

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For the Trump Faithful, if it's not on Fox, it didn't happen.

The administration should be asked why Fox News and Breitbart need to be handed an advantage over the BBC and CNN etc.

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# 1726331 26-Feb-2017 04:49

Fred99:

The administration should be asked why Fox News and Breitbart need to be handed an advantage over the BBC and CNN etc.

Why? Slimy Sean Spicer will spin some more of his apologist bovine poop about how unfair all them fake news outlets are to his glorious leader.

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# 1726333 26-Feb-2017 07:05

I found this "poll" on OOKLA when doing a speed test this morning:

This takes you to:

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I'm not sure whether the free Patriot Tactical Flashlight is only for those who vote Yes Send Her To Jail For Perjury & Treason.

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# 1726360 26-Feb-2017 09:24

I guess this advertiser knows his target audience (no pun intended).

In case anyone doesn't know what a "tactical flashlight" is, here's a snippet from the Patriot's website:

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# 1726381 26-Feb-2017 09:41

Fred99:

You're wrong about it being a big stretch to a fascist state - Bannon is a fascist, he's smart, he is working to create a judeo-christian nationalist state. He believes that history is a succession of pivotal events - and he's going to create one. Trump is merely his tool. We'll see how he'll evade constitutional roadblocks - Trump should have already been impeached - but so far no problem.

He has probably used and outsmarted Putin too, Bannon despises what he calls "corporatism" - but he also strongly despises Putin's oligarchy.

I don't see how I am wrong as its my opinion. Whether he is a fascist or has fascist type leanings. I cannot see how implementing fascism in the US can happen. There is the Constitution, the will of the people, and the judges that will shut down any goings on., as they have already done.

Is the issues with media control due to fascism, so next week its getting the military onside as a Trump-Bannon ally? Or is it simply that Trumps ego and narcissistic attitudes rile him up so he wants to shut them down? We have seen that over and over for many many months.

The human race is old, and since the Industrial Revolution, it has come ahead in leaps and bounds, but its only been decades where the maturity at high levels has reached an acceptable level of global management, for most first world countries. Its 2017, not 1914, its a whole different world. Re the media, perhaps the judges will intervene, if the Constitution allows that, thats easy, look at the ban. POTUS overruled and cut down. I feel that too much weight is given to Trump and his cronies, and not enough to the Constitution, and the will of the people, let alone that his antics are 95% talk.

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# 1726388 26-Feb-2017 10:11

tdgeek:

I truly hope you are correct but 'eternal vigilance is the price of liberty'. I think it is dangerous to just expect that assaults on democracy will crumble in themselves, with no other action needed. To say it can't happen here is to ignore that it has happened before. America does have some strong democratic institutions, but a lot of angry people seem to be buying into Trump's populist BS and that is something to be alarmed about.

I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney

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# 1726412 26-Feb-2017 10:27

Rikkitic:

tdgeek:

I truly hope you are correct but 'eternal vigilance is the price of liberty'. I think it is dangerous to just expect that assaults on democracy will crumble in themselves, with no other action needed. To say it can't happen here is to ignore that it has happened before. America does have some strong democratic institutions, but a lot of angry people seem to be buying into Trump's populist BS and that is something to be alarmed about.

Fair points. But, this is a different world, IMHO. The angst against Trump goes far and wide. There are a lot of angry people buying into him, but I would love to see what an election tomorrow would bring. The only awesome thing that he has done was to win the election by targeting the poor, and his excellent marketing skills. I am unsure what options the judges have with the media crackdown, surely that will be un constitutional. If all this was in the 1940's, 1950' or 1960's, then it would be a very very serious issue.

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