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  # 1726421 26-Feb-2017 11:07
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You're wrong about it being a big stretch to a fascist state - Bannon is a fascist, he's smart, he is working to create a judeo-christian nationalist state.  He believes that history is a succession of pivotal events - and he's going to create one. Trump is merely his tool. We'll see how he'll evade constitutional roadblocks - Trump should have already been impeached - but so far no problem.

 

He has probably used and outsmarted Putin too, Bannon despises what he calls "corporatism" - but he also strongly despises Putin's oligarchy.

 

 

I don't see how I am wrong as its my opinion. Whether he is a fascist or has fascist type leanings. I cannot see how implementing fascism in the US can happen. There is the Constitution, the will of the people, and the judges that will shut down any goings on., as they have already done. 

 

Is the issues with media control due to fascism, so next week its getting the military onside as a Trump-Bannon ally?  Or is it simply that Trumps ego and narcissistic attitudes rile him up so he wants to shut them down? We have seen that over and over for many many months.

 

The human race is old, and since the Industrial Revolution, it has come ahead in leaps and bounds, but its only been decades where the maturity at high levels has reached an acceptable level of global management, for most first world countries. Its 2017, not 1914, its a whole different world. Re the media, perhaps the judges will intervene, if the Constitution allows that, thats easy, look at the ban. POTUS overruled and cut down. I feel that too much weight is given to Trump and his cronies, and not enough to the Constitution, and the will of the people, let alone that his antics are 95% talk. 

 

 

I think you're confusing Fascism with Nazism - or excusing Trump's fascism because is isn't nazism.

 

As for the constitution, then perhaps a good example of how constitutional intent is subverted / corrupted by politics (by the GOP mainly) is summed up by Lee Attwater's interview (Attwater was interviewed anonymously - identified posthumously).

 

 

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can't say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

 

 

IMO you need to call it for what it is now - not wait for brownshirts to appear (in greater numbers - they're already there).

 

 


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  # 1726422 26-Feb-2017 11:12
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I truly hope you are correct but 'eternal vigilance is the price of liberty'. I think it is dangerous to just expect that assaults on democracy will crumble in themselves, with no other action needed. To say it can't happen here is to ignore that it has happened before. America does have some strong democratic institutions, but a lot of angry people seem to be buying into Trump's populist BS and that is something to be alarmed about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair points. But, this is a different world, IMHO. The angst against Trump goes far and wide. There are a lot of angry people buying into him, but I would love to see what an election tomorrow would bring. The only awesome thing that he has done was to win the election by targeting the poor, and his excellent marketing skills. I am unsure what options the judges have with the media crackdown, surely that will be un constitutional. If all this was in the 1940's, 1950' or 1960's, then it would be a very very serious issue.

 

 

Yeah sure it's a different world.

 

Ask self if in this "different world" the methods used (ie by fascists like Bannon) would be more obvious than those used by fascists 100 years ago, or much more sophisticated, manipulative.

 

 

 

BTW, Trump didn't target "The Poor".  He targeted the "White Working Class". 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1726430 26-Feb-2017 11:39
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Talk of brown shirts etc is a huge over reaction




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  # 1726440 26-Feb-2017 12:02
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MikeB4: Talk of brown shirts etc is a huge over reaction

 

Why?  

 

There has been "Lion Guard", "Bikers for Trump" etc. vigilante groups.

 

Primary purpose of Brownshirts was to protect rallies from protest, disrupt opposition etc.  They long preceded the formation of the fascist state.

 

It took much longer than a decade for that movement to evolve into the SS.

 

 


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  # 1726478 26-Feb-2017 13:10
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The Brown Shirts, Sturmabteilung was an organised para military organisation of considerable size circa 400,000 which grew to approx 2,000,000 It was armed and structured talk of anything like that in the US and associated with the President and or Republican Party is an over reaction.




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  # 1726488 26-Feb-2017 13:26
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America is crawling with self-styled armed 'militias' that like to run around in the hills playing war games and even carry out unauthorised police-style missions like patrolling parts of the border with Mexico. These 'survivalist' groups generally fit right in with the alt:right belief systems. When the Trump administration is ready for brown shirts, it won't have to look far for a ready-made private army.

 

 





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  # 1726558 26-Feb-2017 14:51
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Rikkitic:

America is crawling with self-styled armed 'militias' that like to run around in the hills playing war games and even carry out unauthorised police-style missions like patrolling parts of the border with Mexico. These 'survivalist' groups generally fit right in with the alt:right belief systems. When the Trump administration is ready for brown shirts, it won't have to look far for a ready-made private army.


 



Never going to happen.




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  # 1726559 26-Feb-2017 14:51
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Tonight, for the first time, I actually heard someone on the news use the word 'dictator'. I didn't catch it all, but he was an official of some kind, not a member of the public. He wasn't saying Trump was a dictator, rather that was where he was headed. 

 

 

 

 

Hysteria no doubt brought to you by the very same people that claim Americans don't need "guns" because the government will never go rogue. They really do need to sort out the compatibility of their claims in their heads before articulating them.


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  # 1726560 26-Feb-2017 15:02
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MikeB4: The Brown Shirts, Sturmabteilung was an organised para military organisation of considerable size circa 400,000 which grew to approx 2,000,000 It was armed and structured talk of anything like that in the US and associated with the President and or Republican Party is an over reaction.

 

One day there were none - next day there were 400,000?

 

Didn't happen like that.

 

Bannon wants bloody conflict.   I'm reasonably confident he'll get it. 


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  # 1726561 26-Feb-2017 15:07
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MikeB4: The Brown Shirts, Sturmabteilung was an organised para military organisation of considerable size circa 400,000 which grew to approx 2,000,000 It was armed and structured talk of anything like that in the US and associated with the President and or Republican Party is an over reaction.


One day there were none - next day there were 400,000?


Didn't happen like that.


Bannon wants bloody conflict.   I'm reasonably confident he'll get it. 



Didn't say they did, theSturmabteilung predates the Nazi party. And no it won't happen in the US, the circumstances are so different. I believe the whole talk of it clouds the real issues




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  # 1726569 26-Feb-2017 15:23
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MikeB4: The Brown Shirts, Sturmabteilung was an organised para military organisation of considerable size circa 400,000 which grew to approx 2,000,000 It was armed and structured talk of anything like that in the US and associated with the President and or Republican Party is an over reaction.

 

You mean a bit like the NRA which currently has 5 million members and who's leader has called for the NRA to fight the "war" against Trump?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K71n2Hf3-NA





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  # 1726571 26-Feb-2017 15:29
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MikeB4: The Brown Shirts, Sturmabteilung was an organised para military organisation of considerable size circa 400,000 which grew to approx 2,000,000 It was armed and structured talk of anything like that in the US and associated with the President and or Republican Party is an over reaction.

 

You mean a bit like the NRA which currently has 5 million members and who's leader has called for the NRA to fight the "war" against Trump?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K71n2Hf3-NA

 

 

 

 

That is a huge difference compared to an organized Paramilitary. Most would crap themselves if faced with regular forces. They would be crushed very quickly. Playing toy soldier in the weekend does not make an army.





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  # 1726578 26-Feb-2017 16:04
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Rikkitic:


Tonight, for the first time, I actually heard someone on the news use the word 'dictator'. I didn't catch it all, but he was an official of some kind, not a member of the public. He wasn't saying Trump was a dictator, rather that was where he was headed. 


 



Hysteria no doubt brought to you by the very same people that claim Americans don't need "guns" because the government will never go rogue. They really do need to sort out the compatibility of their claims in their heads before articulating them.


Not quite [Republican] Senator McCain.

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  # 1726628 26-Feb-2017 18:44
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MikeB4: The Brown Shirts, Sturmabteilung was an organised para military organisation of considerable size circa 400,000 which grew to approx 2,000,000 It was armed and structured talk of anything like that in the US and associated with the President and or Republican Party is an over reaction.

 

Watch the NRA CEO's speech at CPAC.

 

Not over reaction. Rather, early warning.

 

These things worry me ...

 

  • Leader is egomaniac.
  • Strong focus on national pride. America first, make America great again.
  • Common enemy to focus anger. Immigrants and Muslims.
  • Facts replaced by slogans.
  • The free press is the enemy.
  • Liberals are the enemy.
  • Dismissing the law of the courts
  • Assertions that violent crime is on the rise and the rule of law must prevail
  • Significant build up of the armed forces.

 


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  # 1726630 26-Feb-2017 18:53
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MikeB4:

 

ajobbins:

 

MikeB4: The Brown Shirts, Sturmabteilung was an organised para military organisation of considerable size circa 400,000 which grew to approx 2,000,000 It was armed and structured talk of anything like that in the US and associated with the President and or Republican Party is an over reaction.

 

You mean a bit like the NRA which currently has 5 million members and who's leader has called for the NRA to fight the "war" against Trump?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K71n2Hf3-NA

 

 

 

 

That is a huge difference compared to an organized Paramilitary. Most would crap themselves if faced with regular forces. They would be crushed very quickly. Playing toy soldier in the weekend does not make an army.

 

 

Yeah, but 70% of the population will be no match for the 30% of the population that have bought into the populist message, have the automatic weapons, and the sympathy of the armed forces and police (thanks to all the cash and attention they will shortly receive).


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