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Fred99
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  #1728699 2-Mar-2017 09:16
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  #1728711 2-Mar-2017 09:27
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Michael Moore reacts to Trump speech

 

https://youtu.be/Ot167GoMIR8

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1728719 2-Mar-2017 09:39
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Auckland University has a little bit of a problem with a new group, the AU "European" Students Association:

 

http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/concern-european-campus-club-is-cover-for-white-supremacist-group

 

Off topic?  Sadly not.  The optimist in me says that this is probably just a wind up... but.


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  #1728909 2-Mar-2017 14:00
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Listened to his speech.

 

For the most part it wasn't a bad speech by any means, but there wasn't a lot of substance too it. Mainly just empty words about goals with little mention of how to achieve them.

 

It may seem like a fantastic speech to many given how Trump usually talks, but it just seems that way. By any objective standard it was a pretty average speech.


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  #1728916 2-Mar-2017 14:13
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dafman:

Michael Moore reacts to Trump speech


https://youtu.be/Ot167GoMIR8


 



Thanks. If you have never seen Moore's film Roger and Me I highly recommend it.

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  #1728924 2-Mar-2017 14:34
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Fred99:

According to this, Trump told 51 lies in 61 minutes during his first address to congress.


[edit - I'm not claiming that source as reliable]


I'm not sure why some of the media are reporting that the speech was some kind of a "turning point" in Trump's presidency, nor why he should be lauded for being able to hold it together - without resorting to abuse and word salad - when reading a scripted message to the faithful.  Being coherent for an hour isn't something to celebrate under such circumstances - that was merely being "Teleprompter Trump".  
"Twitter Trump" seems to have had the mute button pressed.


 


 



Unfortunate about twitter as we got to see how he really thinks and hold it up to the light.

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  #1728958 2-Mar-2017 15:01
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Fred99:

According to this, Trump told 51 lies in 61 minutes during his first address to congress.


[edit - I'm not claiming that source as reliable]


I'm not sure why some of the media are reporting that the speech was some kind of a "turning point" in Trump's presidency, nor why he should be lauded for being able to hold it together - without resorting to abuse and word salad - when reading a scripted message to the faithful.  Being coherent for an hour isn't something to celebrate under such circumstances - that was merely being "Teleprompter Trump".  
"Twitter Trump" seems to have had the mute button pressed.


 


 



Here is one he sadly did get right:

“Over 43 million Americans are on food stamps.”

The number is correct.

According to the Agriculture Department, 43.3 million Americans use food stamps. As with the poverty rate, though, the number has been trending downward over the past several years.

— Dana Goldstein

From https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/28/us/politics/fact-check-trump-congress-address.html#/factcheck-9?module=Chatblog®ion=Body&action=click&pgtype=interactive


 
 
 
 


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  #1728987 2-Mar-2017 15:50
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Paul1977:

Listened to his speech.


For the most part it wasn't a bad speech by any means, but there wasn't a lot of substance too it. Mainly just empty words about goals with little mention of how to achieve them.



As usual he's telling everyone the Trumpian cause and exactly how it will be resolved:

Trump Transcript: We want all Americans to succeed - but that can't happen in an environment of lawless chaos. We must restore integrity and the rule of law to our borders.


Translation: Americans can't succeed at present because..

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  #1729031 2-Mar-2017 17:05
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Jeff Sessions seems to be in deep crap now.

 

Justice department officials have confirmed that he had two meetings (or at least a meeting and a phone conversation) with the Russian ambassador in 2016 during Trump's campaign - yet denied this under oath at his confirmation hearing for AG:

 

 

“I’m not aware of any of those activities,” he responded. He added: “I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians.

 

 

He also gave a direct "No" answer to the question "Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?”

 

His spin-assistants are trying to argue that these weren't misleading answers.

 

There are "problems recalling what was discussed".  Yes it could have been about the price of caviar - but he seems to have lied. This in the height of the "scandal" over Russian hacking, no, I don't expect they talked about caviar.

 

He met with the Russians on September 8 2016 - about a month after Trump's comments - “They hacked—they probably have her 33,000 emails. I hope they do,” he says. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.” 

 

 


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  #1729146 2-Mar-2017 21:46
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Should be interesting...

 

http://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/3117-3/


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  #1729303 3-Mar-2017 09:40
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Some interesting choices for Trump (or alt:president Bannon) to make.  The initial reaction is a fairly restrained "I don't think so".  Some Republicans are calling for Sessions to recuse himself from any enquiry into Russian interference in the election - which is a no-brainer in that if Sessions doesn't recuse himself, then he's tainted - yet if he does, then he's essentially admitting that he did mislead congress and should resign or be fired by Trump. It does seem clear that he misled congress - lied under oath. 

 

Bannon/Trump should never have declared war on the media.  It seems that at least the Washington Post and New York Times have made their own declaration of war back - the result of which is not in any way "fake news", but they're timing release of what they know to do damage, which makes me wonder what else they're sitting on.  

 

 

 

Edit: he's now recused himself from "any existing or future investigations" related to Trump campaign.

 

 

 

"There is nothing to recuse himself over" [Sean Spicer on Fox News a day ago]


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  #1729523 3-Mar-2017 16:53
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Fred99:

 

 

 

Edit: he's now recused himself from "any existing or future investigations" related to Trump campaign.

 

 

 

"There is nothing to recuse himself over" [Sean Spicer on Fox News a day ago]

 

 

I dont understand that by stepping outside an enquiry, but staying in the job rescues you from whatever...

 

Surely if he is guilty of something he is guilty of something!!!


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  #1729527 3-Mar-2017 17:28
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Pumpedd:

 

Fred99:

 

 

 

Edit: he's now recused himself from "any existing or future investigations" related to Trump campaign.

 

 

 

"There is nothing to recuse himself over" [Sean Spicer on Fox News a day ago]

 

 

I dont understand that by stepping outside an enquiry, but staying in the job rescues you from whatever...

 

Surely if he is guilty of something he is guilty of something!!!

 

 

 

 

Not in the Republican world, apparently.  

 

He's recusing himself as there could be a perception that he'd be biased, because he met with (at least) the Russian ambassador, who's reputed to be a top KGB man, and at the time the Russian hacking scandal was in the news - and he "can't remember" what they talked about.  Unbelievable.

 

Trump's doubling down on the second part - claiming that Sessions didn't lie under oath - when it seems very clear that he did. 

 

It appears that Scott Pruitt also didn't tell the truth under oath during his confirmation hearing when he denied he'd used a private email server for official (state) communication when he was Oklahoma AG - when it appears that he certainly did - in that case it was legal for him to do so if full records were kept - which they apparently were - so why lie?

 

And Pence - now in trouble for the same thing, except in his case use of a private email server was illegal, he did discuss homeland security issues, the records were hidden from public record requests, and his account was hacked. 

 

Why would these people lie?

 

Perhaps it's because an integral part of the campaign which elected Trump were cries to "Lock.Her.Up" for using a private email server.

 

Dirty hypocrites.

 

 


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  #1729537 3-Mar-2017 18:05
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Fred99:

 

Why would these people lie?

 

 

Habit

 

 


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  #1729544 3-Mar-2017 18:12
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This site gives you a good run down of what happens every day with the Orange president. "WTF Just Happened Today dot com". (unfortunately you'll have to google it because of the name of the site gets rejected even in hyperlinks) Help @freitasm??

 

Worth signing up for the email. 


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