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  # 1743521 18-Mar-2017 19:29
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Donald Trump refuses to shake Angela Merkel's hand

 

Yet more diplomatic incompetence ... Trumpy is sulking (again)

 

Mental Age = 10





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  # 1743522 18-Mar-2017 19:30
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freitasm:

 

 

 

What actually did she do? Everyone complains but the question is actually "what did she do" that people hate so much?

 

 

From what I can tell, the polite answer is that she represented "the (political) establishment".

 

The real answer I expect was mainly a multitude of misogynous reasoning.  It's a sh*t reality that in the eyes of some "what Bill did" reflected on her as if that indicated her inadequacy to do what women were put on earth to do - serve men.  Trump targeted her as "weak".  The other stuff ("Benghazi" etc) was trivial crap, blown way out of all proportion at best - but mainly lies.

 

She didn't have was the presence, eloquence, and dignity of Obama - true - but he was a remarkable exception to any POTUS in living memory.  Her "deplorables" comment was a serious tactical mistake - despite being 100% true.

 

I can't get over the ridiculous oft repeated comments that "both (DT and HRC) were awful candidates".  HRC had failings, but Trump voters elected a festering stinking pile of poop, surrounded and supported by squadrons of blowflies. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1743551 18-Mar-2017 20:36
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freitasm:

 

The "figured couldn't get any worse" is soon to be proven wrong when ACA goes away and the budget changes...

 

 

I agree, and hopefully they will wake up to what Trump is really about, but it will be a lesson hard learnt. My point was just that I don't think we can assume that Trump voters are all backward hillbillies. They were mostly desperate hard working people who were suckered by a snake oil salesman.

 

Paul1977:

 

And while I'm sure many didn't like the idea of a woman president, Clinton's problem wasn't that she was a woman - it was that she was extremely unlikable and represented the status quo that the working class so desperately wanted to get away from.

 

 

freitasm:

 

What actually did she do? Everyone complains but the question is actually "what did she do" that people hate so much?

 

 

She didn't do anything in particular to deserve the hatred that she she got, except represent everything the middle class were ready to rebel against. But (at least to me) she came across as very rehearsed, insincere, and not someone the middle class could relate to.

 

Hilary Clinton is, I'm sure, a very experienced and capable politician. But I don't believe the USA would have become a better place under her leadership. She wouldn't have run it into the ground like I expect Trump to, but she would have been a placeholder president at best.


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  # 1743555 18-Mar-2017 20:49
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Fred99:

 

From what I can tell, the polite answer is that she represented "the (political) establishment".

 

The real answer I expect was mainly a multitude of misogynous reasoning.  It's a sh*t reality that in the eyes of some "what Bill did" reflected on her as if that indicated her inadequacy to do what women were put on earth to do - serve men.  Trump targeted her as "weak".  The other stuff ("Benghazi" etc) was trivial crap, blown way out of all proportion at best - but mainly lies.

 

She didn't have was the presence, eloquence, and dignity of Obama - true - but he was a remarkable exception to any POTUS in living memory.  Her "deplorables" comment was a serious tactical mistake - despite being 100% true.

 

I can't get over the ridiculous oft repeated comments that "both (DT and HRC) were awful candidates".  HRC had failings, but Trump voters elected a festering stinking pile of poop, surrounded and supported by squadrons of blowflies. 

 

 

Saying that Trump supporters are "deplorables" is a huge generalization. A lot of the very vocal Trump supporters fall in to this category, but not the majority of his voters.

 

And I personally do believe they were both terrible candidates, but for very different reasons. Trump was a terrible choice for what should be (but to many obviously weren't) obvious reasons. Clinton was a terrible choice because she represented everything the middle class wanted changed.

 

To be clear, if I were a US citizen I would have voted for Clinton and actively encouraged others to do the same. But, to be equally clear, this would have been a strictly anti-Trump vote.

 

Anyway, this is all rehashing old arguments that at this point are moot. I just wanted to voice my opinion on the mistake of painting all Trump supporters with the same brush.


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  # 1743563 18-Mar-2017 21:19
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Paul1977:

 

Fred99:

 

From what I can tell, the polite answer is that she represented "the (political) establishment".

 

The real answer I expect was mainly a multitude of misogynous reasoning.  It's a sh*t reality that in the eyes of some "what Bill did" reflected on her as if that indicated her inadequacy to do what women were put on earth to do - serve men.  Trump targeted her as "weak".  The other stuff ("Benghazi" etc) was trivial crap, blown way out of all proportion at best - but mainly lies.

 

She didn't have was the presence, eloquence, and dignity of Obama - true - but he was a remarkable exception to any POTUS in living memory.  Her "deplorables" comment was a serious tactical mistake - despite being 100% true.

 

I can't get over the ridiculous oft repeated comments that "both (DT and HRC) were awful candidates".  HRC had failings, but Trump voters elected a festering stinking pile of poop, surrounded and supported by squadrons of blowflies. 

 

 

Saying that Trump supporters are "deplorables" is a huge generalization. A lot of the very vocal Trump supporters fall in to this category, but not the majority of his voters.

 

And I personally do believe they were both terrible candidates, but for very different reasons. Trump was a terrible choice for what should be (but to many obviously weren't) obvious reasons. Clinton was a terrible choice because she represented everything the middle class wanted changed.

 

To be clear, if I were a US citizen I would have voted for Clinton and actively encouraged others to do the same. But, to be equally clear, this would have been a strictly anti-Trump vote.

 

Anyway, this is all rehashing old arguments that at this point are moot. I just wanted to voice my opinion on the mistake of painting all Trump supporters with the same brush.

 

 

To be clear, most Trump voters voted him because they didn't want Clinton. Hence an anti-Clinton vote. 





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  # 1743588 18-Mar-2017 22:22
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joker97:

 

 

 

To be clear, most Trump voters voted him because they didn't want Clinton. Hence an anti-Clinton vote. 

 

 

I don't think so at all.

 

A good proportion of Trump voters were Republican voters who'd always vote for the Republican candidate.

 

Some few Republicans spoke out about not voting for Trump.  Some Sanders supporters probably voted for Trump for destructive reasons and/or were taken in by Trump's "anti-establishment" stance - not realising that the establishment he was intent in taking down wasn't the one they had in mind.

 

The swinging vote is always the one that's hard to poll, hard to predict - thus hard to target.  Bannon did a better job - and sneaked Trump in with a minority vote by targeting those voters in crucial electorates.

 

 


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  # 1743662 19-Mar-2017 07:55
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Fred99:

 

tdgeek:

 

blakamin:

 

I still think it should be called "Don T Care".

 

 

 

Because they don't.

 

 

it got the votes, job done

 

 

Horrific failure of US democracy and the US media's failure to hold Trump accountable, that he (and other GOP candidates) campaigned so hard against "Obamacare" but had no plans for a replacement, the closer they get to consensus within the GOP about how it should be - the closer it is to the original "Obamacare".

 

Yet Trump's now being all precious about people calling it "Trumpcare".

 

If Ryan / Trump get their way, it's "wealthcare" not "healthcare".

 

 

 

 

Agree, but its not a failure of US democracy. he won. He won as every other POTUS has one, at the voting office. Pre election, he and her campaigned, they campaigned on policies, whether each had concrete plans or not, no voter would know. Pre election the media did their thing, they still are. Its the voters that got him in, on his policies, and more so, on a change to the establishment and riding on the back of anti Hillary sentiment. Now that his campaign, which are merely words, and he is POTUS now, the media, and the GOP are holding him accountable. They cannot remove him, but that may well happen. The most important factor for holding him accountable, is Trump himself, he is moving from a silly, sh%t person talking sh%t, to making a mockery of himself, and that will end up probably him self destructing and causing his own demise.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1743666 19-Mar-2017 08:05
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tdgeek:

 

Fred99:

 

tdgeek:

 

blakamin:

 

I still think it should be called "Don T Care".

 

 

 

Because they don't.

 

 

it got the votes, job done

 

 

Horrific failure of US democracy and the US media's failure to hold Trump accountable, that he (and other GOP candidates) campaigned so hard against "Obamacare" but had no plans for a replacement, the closer they get to consensus within the GOP about how it should be - the closer it is to the original "Obamacare".

 

Yet Trump's now being all precious about people calling it "Trumpcare".

 

If Ryan / Trump get their wa

 

 

 

Agree, but its not a failure

 

y, it's "wealthcare" not "healthcare".

 

 

 

of US democracy. he won. He won as every other POTUS has one, at the voting office. Pre election, he and her campaigned, they campaigned on policies, whether each had concrete plans or not, no voter would know. Pre election the media did their thing, they still are. Its the voters that got him in, on his policies, and more so, on a change to the establishment and riding on the back of anti Hillary sentiment. Now that his campaign, which are merely words, and he is POTUS now, the media, and the GOP are holding him accountable. They cannot remove him, but that may well happen. The most important factor for holding him accountable, is Trump himself, he is moving from a silly, sh%t person talking sh%t, to making a mockery of himself, and that will end up probably him self destructing and causing his own demise.

 

 

What does The Simpsons say about that?





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  # 1743667 19-Mar-2017 08:07
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Rikkitic:

 

What he campaigned on was the promise to make it better. What voters are getting is worse. Yes, he is doing what he said he would, but all he is producing is a destructive mess.

 

 

 

 

I don't agree. A POTIUS brings in laws, regulations, makes changes. Trump isn't doing anything. His two ban laws have failed, his healthcare is not in place, and its negative for many, his wall, is yet to be decided upon, he hasn't done anything. He has just ranted, ridiculed himself, and made the US look foolish, but the reality is, thats all it is.

 

All his policies that many are worried about, are still in the hot air stage. Jan 20 to now is no more than campaigning and arguing.

 

When he was elected, many countries were worried, Geekzone was worried, many Republican voters were worried, GOP was worried. but given that all we have seen is ranting, lies, incompetence, failed implementing of his ban, twice over ruled by his own countries justice system, IMHO, the world is breathing a sigh of relief. He is showing himself to be actually harmless, the only harm his POTUS capability has produced, is harm to himself and the GOP. The world is probably going about its daily business, as are US citizens, while the Trump Reality Show is viewable 24/7.

 

Now, when he is ousted, normal transmission will be resumed. The new POTUS will repair this. But between now and then, there are no violent issues going on at the Mexican border, no ships lined up at the edge of North Korean waters, or Taiwan waters, no trade deals causing world global trade to hyperventilate. All that has happened is lies and lies and imcompetent behaviours by him and his cronies.  


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  # 1743693 19-Mar-2017 09:07
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WTF is the POTUS smoking or snorting down at his $3 million per weekend taxpayer-funded jaunt at Mar-a-Lago?

 

 


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  # 1743698 19-Mar-2017 09:11
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Fred99:

 

 

 

 

WTF is the POTUS smoking or snorting down at his $3 million per weekend taxpayer-funded jaunt at Mar-a-Lago?

 

 

 

 

The long way to say I had a great meeting with the German leader but it wasn't a great meeting. 


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  # 1743706 19-Mar-2017 09:20
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

The long way to say I had a great meeting with the German leader but it wasn't a great meeting. 

 

 

The body language alone said it wasn't a good meeting.

 

The FAKE NEWS here is Trump's pig-ignorance about how NATO works and is funded.

 

I presume he's being told FAKE NEWS by Bannon, being "prepped" to be "tough" on something that he knows nothing about.
Bannon has other objectives - the media aren't paying enough attention to what that absolutely evil person has planned.


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  # 1743708 19-Mar-2017 09:21
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Poll of 18-30 YO's in the USA:

 


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  # 1743711 19-Mar-2017 09:28
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He's not entirely wrong about Germany. NATO via the US And BAOR has provided the bulk of Germany's defences since WW2 and saved them a fortune which helped greatly with their economic success.





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Geektastic: He's not entirely wrong about Germany. NATO via the US And BAOR has provided the bulk of Germany's defences since WW2 and saved them a fortune which helped greatly with their economic success.

 

Yes, he could threaten to reduce spending to what the other major powers do. Then focus that on protecting the US, whats left over they can help the other countries. 

 

Or if that 2% or what they actually spend is only global support, trim that to the average of say the next top ten countries. Obama said the same things re the others not pulling their weight. This guy just says it in BOLD every 5 minutess thats all!


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