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kingdragonfly

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#1766954 18-Apr-2017 19:18

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"Easter at the Trump White House: The Daily Show"

You'd think Trump couldn't possibly screw up the US National Anthem, at an Easter Egg hunt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49x3HZweRpU

Not so funny, but also worth watching: "The Resistance with Keith Olbermann "

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0hKMB1-xkc-XWNf9VL-LxVYysdHpjyMF

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#1766966 18-Apr-2017 19:43

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Homage to "Game of Thrones" Tyrion Lannister

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#1767081 19-Apr-2017 08:50

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tdgeek:

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THAAD won't protect South Korea from a missile barrage from DPRK. South Koreans realise that - and many don't want it because of the geopolitical and nuclear deterrent balance issues it creates. It just adds to an arms race.

Trump's USA is now rushing to get it operational - before there's a probable change from an interim conservative president to a liberal (based on current polling).

The USA are up to dirty tricks - as has become usual for a Republican led regime. Same old same old. Using and aggravating a situation with KJU and DPRK to further their own agenda.

Do you have any articles to support the first sentence? Re many who don't want them? And don't they work well? If there was a barrage of missiles, I think the defence strategy goes out the window, and in comes the attack strategy.

Its not Trumps USA getting it operational, it was announced by Obama, to be installed towards end 2017. Given whats going on by PRNK, no issue to see it pushed ahead.

And Democrats for bringing in THAAD. So all of USA is up to dirty tricks. Its not just Repubs or Demo's, or Trump, its national.

I would be happy if the US pulled out of every issue. NK, Syria, everywhere, no exceptions. And not lead anything offshore. Their contribution can be troops and machinery, let someone else organise it. Allow USA to focus on itself, and they can do what they like to beef up their defence, given that they will have removed themselves from decision making in global hotspots. Then we are back to the arms race.

It's a numbers game. A THAAD battery has 48 interceptors (at what price? $20 million US each), DPRK has an unknown number of (presumably cheap DIY) missiles from modified Soviet era SCUDs, through to more modern solid-fuel rockets. Total number could be thousands. They are also claimed to have chemical (we know they have some VX) as well as biological weapons (weaponized anthrax).

If THAAD works as planned, then it's supposed to be able to determine which missiles have nuclear warheads (vs dummies), but at this stage it's not known if DPRK have a miniaturised warhead. It is known that they can't have many of any type, as they're limited by their own plutonium production. They threaten "thermonuclear war" - but it's highly unlikely they've got a thermonuclear weapon, so for that part, if they launched a nuclear (fission) strike, the thermonuclear war would be one way traffic directed at them.

So, in the unlikely (at this time) event that DPRK actually has a miniaturized warhead and a delivery system, THAAD would be of some use to prevent nuclear attack, but meanwhile a fleet of cheap missiles rains down on South Korea, loaded with chemical, biological, or conventional warheads. All hypothetical as for all posturing and threats, both sides want to avert it. As each side increases their military strike and countermeasures, tension escalates. The only time it seems tensions de-escalate is when they talk together. The path to a peaceful solution is a no-brainer - and Trump clearly has no brain.

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#1767089 19-Apr-2017 09:07

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Fred99:

It's a numbers game. A THAAD battery has 48 interceptors (at what price? $20 million US each), DPRK has an unknown number of (presumably cheap DIY) missiles from modified Soviet era SCUDs, through to more modern solid-fuel rockets. Total number could be thousands. They are also claimed to have chemical (we know they have some VX) as well as biological weapons (weaponized anthrax).

If THAAD works as planned, then it's supposed to be able to determine which missiles have nuclear warheads (vs dummies), but at this stage it's not known if DPRK have a miniaturised warhead. It is known that they can't have many of any type, as they're limited by their own plutonium production. They threaten "thermonuclear war" - but it's highly unlikely they've got a thermonuclear weapon, so for that part, if they launched a nuclear (fission) strike, the thermonuclear war would be one way traffic directed at them.

So, in the unlikely (at this time) event that DPRK actually has a miniaturized warhead and a delivery system, THAAD would be of some use to prevent nuclear attack, but meanwhile a fleet of cheap missiles rains down on South Korea, loaded with chemical, biological, or conventional warheads. All hypothetical as for all posturing and threats, both sides want to avert it. As each side increases their military strike and countermeasures, tension escalates. The only time it seems tensions de-escalate is when they talk together. The path to a peaceful solution is a no-brainer - and Trump clearly has no brain.

Its not a Trump issue, its a decades old issue. So far he has done nothing amiss as regards Syria, Afghanistan, or PRNK. Not one thing actually. For PRNK what they say and do is BAU. The West or US Talking with them will never happen, the closest it can get is China talking to them

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#1767092 19-Apr-2017 09:13

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There is some speculation that Trump may not actually even be aware of who is in charge in North Korea.

Trump also made two references in the interview to “this gentleman” in North Korea, who he said had “outplayed” both Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. The late North Korean ruler Kim Jong Il died in 2011. His son, Kim Jong Un, is the country’s current ruler.

“But, you know, they’ve been talking with this gentleman for a long time,” Trump said. “You read Clinton’s book, he said, ‘Oh, we made such a great peace deal,’ and it was a joke. You look at different things over the years with President Obama. Everybody has been outplayed, they’ve all been outplayed by this gentleman. And we’ll see what happens. But I just don’t telegraph my moves.”

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#1767100 19-Apr-2017 09:20

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Trump’s ‘armada’ heading to North Korea was really off Australian coast

"The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier that the Trump administration had said was steaming toward North Korea was actually conducting exercises off the coast of Australia, a U.S. defense official acknowledged Tuesday"

More lies, or more ignorance?

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#1767108 19-Apr-2017 09:27

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Trump’s ‘armada’ heading to North Korea was really off Australian coast

"The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier that the Trump administration had said was steaming toward North Korea was actually conducting exercises off the coast of Australia, a U.S. defense official acknowledged Tuesday"

More lies, or more ignorance?

Going by the article, a mixup with the unnamed defence official, Mattis, Pentagon and the Navy. Hopeless.

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#1767137 19-Apr-2017 10:09

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Please, you guys, stop directing me to all those Trump f..ups. You are scaring the living daylights out of me!

Seriously, it is so unbelievable that this ignorant, lazy imbecile could lead us into a nuclear war of utter destruction.

America, what have you done.

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#1767186 19-Apr-2017 10:29

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linw:

Please, you guys, stop directing me to all those Trump f..ups. You are scaring the living daylights out of me!

Seriously, it is so unbelievable that this ignorant, lazy imbecile could lead us into a nuclear war of utter destruction.

America, what have you done.

LOL, a bit overrated that comment. The last F up was others for a change

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#1767389 19-Apr-2017 14:53

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Trump’s ‘armada’ heading to North Korea was really off Australian coast

"The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier that the Trump administration had said was steaming toward North Korea was actually conducting exercises off the coast of Australia, a U.S. defense official acknowledged Tuesday"

More lies, or more ignorance?

There is a strategy in war called confusing your opponent. Thing is, sometimes you confuse your own army.

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Trump’s ‘armada’ heading to North Korea was really off Australian coast

"The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier that the Trump administration had said was steaming toward North Korea was actually conducting exercises off the coast of Australia, a U.S. defense official acknowledged Tuesday"

More lies, or more ignorance?

There is a strategy in war called confusing your opponent. Thing is, sometimes you confuse your own army.

Who confused them? Wasn't Trump on this occasion

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#1767497 19-Apr-2017 17:46

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tdgeek:

Fred99:

It's a numbers game. A THAAD battery has 48 interceptors (at what price? $20 million US each), DPRK has an unknown number of (presumably cheap DIY) missiles from modified Soviet era SCUDs, through to more modern solid-fuel rockets. Total number could be thousands. They are also claimed to have chemical (we know they have some VX) as well as biological weapons (weaponized anthrax).

If THAAD works as planned, then it's supposed to be able to determine which missiles have nuclear warheads (vs dummies), but at this stage it's not known if DPRK have a miniaturised warhead. It is known that they can't have many of any type, as they're limited by their own plutonium production. They threaten "thermonuclear war" - but it's highly unlikely they've got a thermonuclear weapon, so for that part, if they launched a nuclear (fission) strike, the thermonuclear war would be one way traffic directed at them.

So, in the unlikely (at this time) event that DPRK actually has a miniaturized warhead and a delivery system, THAAD would be of some use to prevent nuclear attack, but meanwhile a fleet of cheap missiles rains down on South Korea, loaded with chemical, biological, or conventional warheads. All hypothetical as for all posturing and threats, both sides want to avert it. As each side increases their military strike and countermeasures, tension escalates. The only time it seems tensions de-escalate is when they talk together. The path to a peaceful solution is a no-brainer - and Trump clearly has no brain.

Its not a Trump issue, its a decades old issue. So far he has done nothing amiss as regards Syria, Afghanistan, or PRNK. Not one thing actually. For PRNK what they say and do is BAU. The West or US Talking with them will never happen, the closest it can get is China talking to them

It is a Trump issue - not saying that it's unique or unusual for a Republican POTUS to be going in swinging swords, and as we've seen, Obama was also rattled by DPRK's nuclear programme and clueless to do anything - not helped by a conservative South Korean government.

The closest that "we" (the rest of the world) can get to talking with them is to reopen dialogue between South Korea and DPRK, with support of PRC as ally/trading partner to both, with the objective of reunification, hopefully liberating the 25 million or so subjects of DPRK.

That would seriously p*ss the USA off, as a precondition would be that a united Korea shouldn't continue to be an Asian outpost for the US military and a huge market for their weapons industry.

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This short video is from Michio Kaku, talking about the H1B visa, which lets highly skilled immigrants work in America.

The H1B visa is what Trump is trying to restrict, so "Americans can get jobs."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM

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#1768857 22-Apr-2017 13:34

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RollingStone - Trump's Terrifying North Korea Standoff

"What makes the current moment particularly worrisome is that the leaders of both countries can be described almost identically: rampant narcissists and ultra-nationalists with bad haircuts who love to play with military toys."

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To make the comparison - as a significant point of difference - Trump hasn't been killing family members. OTOH he's certainly decided that running the USA (and thereby the most influential position in what used to be the "free world") should be a family affair.

Of course nothing like a bit of war to garner support from the morons who think that long-term, actions of the past couple of weeks make a positive difference to world peace and stability. Dropping bombs to prove that you can drop bombs and suchlike - with no apparent "part II" where to make a meaningful difference, you'd need to do something altogether much harder than press launch buttons and blabber.

But it works, Trump's "approval rating" has risen from about 37% to about 43% - so greater than the +/- 3% margin of error. Unfortunately it's still a dismal approval rating - so I guess we can expect more bombs and displays of military might, until at least 2018 mid-term elections. Not the first POTUS to do that - and unfortunately he probably won't be the last.

Meanwhile Trump is getting in behind Le Pen in the wake of the idiot who opened fire on the policemen in Paris. Note how quickly ISIS moved to "claim responsibility" for that attack, vs their usual slowness. I presume that they normally delay, as the speculation about "who's responsible" stirs media attention, then as media attention wanes they get a new headline when they fess-up.

It's remarkable how people seem to think that hard-liners on immigration/refugees and (ultra) nationalists are going to solve "the problem". They actually are the problem - ISIS want full on conflict - they think it's destiny - and that they're going to win, so bring it on. They want French people voting for Le Pen.

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