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#1770005 24-Apr-2017 20:30

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Fred99:
tdgeek: NK doesn't.

Sure they don't want talks. They told you this - right?

I expect that as support from PRC is being pulled back, then they'd want more assurance that the USA would get the hell out of there.

DPRK's reason for paranoia - as meat in a sandwich - is somewhat justified, and Trump's sabre-rattling does nothing but aggravate a difficult situation.

Trumps sabre rattling is different to past sabre rattling? No. It's US sabre rattling. And the to be fair who rattles worse? And couples that with actions.

If PRNK gave it a rest and stop pretending to the globe that they are scared of a US invasion , then maybe a peaceful coexistence can happen. The litmus test is decades of words and action from both sides, and comparing those. One side is far more aggressive and taunting than the other

I don't believe NK wants talks towards unification, when hell freezes over I would say

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#1770016 24-Apr-2017 21:02

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I get frustrated over Trump supporters that say "Hillary wanted to drop bombs and that's why I voted for Trump" to anyone that has a go at Trump on SM.

They are still using that line. These people couldn't find Syria on a map if you painted a target on it.

Obviously they never watch the news and just take Trumps word from his campaign as gospel.

Hey, morons, nearly every president has been involved in something (Jimmy Carter who is known as the only president NOT to "wage war" had Lebanon and the Korean tree incident. If that was trump, I imagine he would've bombed both).

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#1770022 24-Apr-2017 21:40

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Sideface:

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Transcript of AP interview with Trump on 21 April - Link here

Words escape me.

One word: deluded

Did your [anybody's] opinion matter? No, he is still the president of the USA, and I'm not. Americans are still happy with him.

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#1770030 24-Apr-2017 22:37

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dafman:

Transcript of AP interview with Trump on 21 April - Link here

Words escape me.

One word: deluded

Did your [anybody's] opinion matter? No, he is still the president of the USA, and I'm not. about 40% of Americans are still happy with him, and about 55% of Americans aren't.

FTFY.

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#1770035 24-Apr-2017 22:54

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South Korean presidential candidates. It is well known that Moon Jae-in has said a visit to North Korea will be his top priority. Now the second leading candidate Ahn Cheol-soo has announced his support for resuming the six party talks ended after a North Korean satellite launch in 2009.

Over these years there have been many statements and indications from North Korea that it seeks a resumption in talks.

It is looking like South Korea will again and as usual support a resumption of talks no matter which candidate wins the election. At least four of the other six parties will readily agree. Add Japan and that is five. Japan is usually positive about these talks.

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#1770036 24-Apr-2017 22:58

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tdgeek:

Trumps sabre rattling is different to past sabre rattling?

Yes - when he's talking of "preemptive" strikes, when nothing in particular has changed in terms of DPRK's lunatic - but predictable behaviour, and managed to put North Korea on the front page of every newspaper globally for weeks, then yes, things have changed for the worse.

It's time for the US to step back - and let PRC and South Korea with a new president - who'll be less of a lap dog to the USA - deal with KJU.

Of course if they succeed, Trump will try to claim their victory as his own.

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#1770038 24-Apr-2017 23:00

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Americans are still happy with him.

You know that isn't true, so why do you keep saying it?

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#1770040 24-Apr-2017 23:09

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Americans are still happy with him.

You know that isn't true, so why do you keep saying it?

Seems reasonable. Trump still has 40% approval.

His disapproval rating appears to be continuing to rise.

It's true there are less people in the 'who cares' category with the disapproval somewhere around 54% now.

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#1770044 24-Apr-2017 23:44

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Lets put this into context.

40% = 130.4 million people
54% = 176 million people

There are almost 50 million MORE Americans that think he is NOT doing a good job. Or more than 10X the population of New Zealand.

So the natural conclusion then is that "Americans are still happy with him"?!

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#1770048 25-Apr-2017 00:20

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gzt: South Korean presidential candidates. It is well known that Moon Jae-in has said a visit to North Korea will be his top priority. Now the second leading candidate Ahn Cheol-soo has announced his support for resuming the six party talks ended after a North Korean satellite launch in 2009.

Over these years there have been many statements and indications from North Korea that it seeks a resumption in talks.

It is looking like South Korea will again and as usual support a resumption of talks no matter which candidate wins the election. At least four of the other six parties will readily agree. Add Japan and that is five. Japan is usually positive about these talks.

I don't think anyone disputes the desire for talks. Talks for NK desired unification as has been stated will not happen.
Perhaps talks to stop NK nuclear and missile tests in exchange for oil and food, refused sanctions, that is likely as it has happened a lot in the past.

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#1770049 25-Apr-2017 00:33

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Fred99:
tdgeek:

Trumps sabre rattling is different to past sabre rattling?

Yes - when he's talking of "preemptive" strikes, when nothing in particular has changed in terms of DPRK's lunatic - but predictable behaviour, and managed to put North Korea on the front page of every newspaper globally for weeks, then yes, things have changed for the worse.

It's time for the US to step back - and let PRC and South Korea with a new president - who'll be less of a lap dog to the USA - deal with KJU.

Of course if they succeed, Trump will try to claim their victory as his own.

You mean this?
"Tensions remain high after President Donald Trump sent the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike group to the Korean Peninsula.

On Thursday, North Korea said it would launch a "merciless retaliatory strike" against US military action after issuing another warning the day before."

The US so called strikes were rumours and denied by WH.

I do agree that the US should back off as well as the rest of the West. The West is at much at fault as they support the US. If NK makes and breaks deals, and continues to build armaments, let China and SK deal with it. Not the West.

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#1770052 25-Apr-2017 01:38

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jarledb:

joker97:

Americans are still happy with him.

You know that isn't true, so why do you keep saying it?

He was voted in at around 40%, and he is still at around 40% ... so it hasn't really changed now compared to when the presidential elections were held.

Maybe I have not recalled correctly

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#1770063 25-Apr-2017 08:10

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jarledb:

joker97:

Americans are still happy with him.

You know that isn't true, so why do you keep saying it?

He was voted in at around 40%, and he is still at around 40% ... so it hasn't really changed now compared to when the presidential elections were held.

Maybe I have not recalled correctly

Sure he has held his base (ignorance does that)....but his Disapproval rating is massive @ 56%.

Obamas was 26% at the same point in his first term.

So yeah most Americans think Trump is a disaster too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nearing-100-days-trumps-approval-at-record-lows-but-his-base-is-holding/2017/04/22/a513a466-26b4-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html?utm_term=.92794ef4c26c

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#1770208 25-Apr-2017 14:16

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gzt: South Korean presidential candidates. It is well known that Moon Jae-in has said a visit to North Korea will be his top priority. Now the second leading candidate Ahn Cheol-soo has announced his support for resuming the six party talks ended after a North Korean satellite launch in 2009.

Over these years there have been many statements and indications from North Korea that it seeks a resumption in talks.

It is looking like South Korea will again and as usual support a resumption of talks no matter which candidate wins the election. At least four of the other six parties will readily agree. Add Japan and that is five. Japan is usually positive about these talks.

I don't think anyone disputes the desire for talks. Talks for NK desired unification as has been stated will not happen.
Perhaps talks to stop NK nuclear and missile tests in exchange for oil and food, refused sanctions, that is likely as it has happened a lot in the past.

Both parties desire reunification. It is the terms that are tricky. There is a huge amount of common ground. Talking is important. The reunification talks have had good outcomes like the family reunions. Although the outcome of a reunited independent Korea is many years away, it is logical that both governments will resume those talks.

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Two stories witha common theme.

"Donald Trump's Gravestone Is 'Not a Death Threat'"

"Meet the artist who installed Trump's thousand-pound headstone in Central Park"

https://creators.vice.com/en_us/article/donald-trump-headstone-artist

And the next news story: "Oregon man dies 'peacefully' after being told Trump had been impeached"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-oregon-man-dies-trump-impeached-20170418-story.html

"When Michael Elliott died, the last voice he heard was that of his ex-wife, his best friend.

In a short phone conversation moments before Elliott took his last breath, she told him what he wanted to hear.

'I told him that everything's going to be all right,' Teresa Elliott told The Washington Post. 'And Donald Trump has been impeached.'

Michael Elliott died 'peacefully,' surrounded by friends and neighbors in his home in a suburb outside of Portland, Oregon, according to an obituary published in the Oregonian.

Teresa Elliott, who lives in Texas, said she couldn't make it to Oregon in time. So on April 6, one of Michael Elliott's friends called her and told her that he was about to die. The two talked as someone held up the phone to the dying man's ear."

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