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  # 1770294 25-Apr-2017 18:33
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gzt: South Korean presidential candidates. It is well known that Moon Jae-in has said a visit to North Korea will be his top priority. Now the second leading candidate Ahn Cheol-soo has announced his support for resuming the six party talks ended after a North Korean satellite launch in 2009.

Over these years there have been many statements and indications from North Korea that it seeks a resumption in talks.

It is looking like South Korea will again and as usual support a resumption of talks no matter which candidate wins the election. At least four of the other six parties will readily agree. Add Japan and that is five. Japan is usually positive about these talks.


I don't think anyone disputes the desire for talks. Talks for NK desired unification as has been stated will not happen.
Perhaps talks to stop NK nuclear and missile tests in exchange for oil and food, refused sanctions, that is likely as it has happened a lot in the past.

Both parties desire reunification. It is the terms that are tricky. There is a huge amount of common ground. Talking is important. The reunification talks have had good outcomes like the family reunions. Although the outcome of a reunited independent Korea is many years away, it is logical that both governments will resume those talks.


KJU does want a better economic result. That gives a very small possibility of unification. But he is a dictator, and a ruthless one who uses ruthless deeds to keep everyone scared. There can be no unification as he cannot rule. So forget unification and think peaceful coexistence. Even then he will lose control when his people flee to SK, not that many of them realize they are being played. But that will leak. He will want economic freedom and ruthless control of his people who cannot flee and ideally can stay in their "protective" bubble. The factors cannot really coexist.

Best he allows himself to accept that no one is interested in invading his country, so he can begin running it for his people. Rather than using that as an excuse.

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  # 1770303 25-Apr-2017 19:10
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tdgeek: Best he allows himself to accept that no one is interested in invading his country, so he can begin running it for his people. Rather than using that as an excuse.

 

Ha ha ha ha ha... While that's really funny, don't give up your day job :-)


 
 
 
 


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tdgeek: Best he allows himself to accept that no one is interested in invading his country, so he can begin running it for his people. Rather than using that as an excuse.


Ha ha ha ha ha... While that's really funny, don't give up your day job :-)



What's so funny? That he should accept that no one has any interest in invading NK or that the US does have a clear desire to attack?


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  # 1770324 25-Apr-2017 19:54
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Read 1984 again. The way to stay in power is to have an enemy all the time.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  # 1770338 25-Apr-2017 20:06
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Rikkitic:

 

Read 1984 again. The way to stay in power is to have an enemy all the time.

 

 

 





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  # 1770368 25-Apr-2017 21:59
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tdgeek:
Dratsab:

 

tdgeek: Best he allows himself to accept that no one is interested in invading his country, so he can begin running it for his people. Rather than using that as an excuse.

 

Ha ha ha ha ha... While that's really funny, don't give up your day job :-) 



What's so funny? That he should accept that no one has any interest in invading NK or that the US does have a clear desire to attack? 

 

That KJU could even conceive of not having an enemy and thus go about running the country "for the people". 


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  # 1770383 25-Apr-2017 23:11
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Dratsab:

 

That KJU Trump could even conceive of not having an enemy and thus go about running the country "for the people". 

 

 

FTFY.


 
 
 
 


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Dratsab:

tdgeek:
Dratsab:


tdgeek: Best he allows himself to accept that no one is interested in invading his country, so he can begin running it for his people. Rather than using that as an excuse.


Ha ha ha ha ha... While that's really funny, don't give up your day job :-) 



What's so funny? That he should accept that no one has any interest in invading NK or that the US does have a clear desire to attack? 


That KJU could even conceive of not having an enemy and thus go about running the country "for the people". 



I agree fully. Talks, agreement, adherence,unification, never happen. My last response was not so much tongue in cheek, maybe it was, but it's what would succeed, but it won't happen.

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  # 1770796 26-Apr-2017 17:22
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tdgeek:
Dratsab:

 

tdgeek:
Dratsab:

 

 

 

tdgeek: Best he allows himself to accept that no one is interested in invading his country, so he can begin running it for his people. Rather than using that as an excuse.

 

 

 

Ha ha ha ha ha... While that's really funny, don't give up your day job :-) 



What's so funny? That he should accept that no one has any interest in invading NK or that the US does have a clear desire to attack? 

 

 

 

That KJU could even conceive of not having an enemy and thus go about running the country "for the people". 

 



I agree fully. Talks, agreement, adherence,unification, never happen. My last response was not so much tongue in cheek, maybe it was, but it's what would succeed, but it won't happen.

 

I agree with that partly.  There are preconditions to unification (China don't want a US-centric united Korea on their border, US don't want to lose Korea as a foothold - they have about 30,000 armed services stationed there).  Those conditions make it very difficult for DPRK to negotiate - and probably quite cynical about any process - unless it could be negotiated between the two Koreas without outside pressure.

 

It's not a "black and white" situation where KJU = 100% bad, Uncle Sam = 100% good. It's complex - and a military "solution" isn't going to be a solution at all.  Time is running out on the nuclear issue too - I don't believe that DPRK have "thermonuclear" weapons, but they do have fission bombs - but limited plutonium production.  In some ways it's good when they conduct a test, as each test probably uses about 1/2 their annual plutonium production.  More of a worry (IMO) is their unknown chemical and biological weapon programme and stockpiles. So I hear, they had a site in the North of DPRK a "pesticide" factory, and supposedly producing bacillus thuringiensis for use as an insecticide.  It seems quite probable that the factory could be producing anthrax spores.  We know for sure they have VX - they just used some in Malaysia. There's some obvious concern about DPRK's ballistic missiles.  Cold comfort for the people of South Korea, if in the event of war, DPRK could rain down chemical and biological weapons on South Korea using artillery, and there's nothing which could stop them.

 

Discussion / negotiation is the only way the Korea problem will be solved without tragedy. 


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  # 1770829 26-Apr-2017 18:08
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tdgeek:
Dratsab:


tdgeek:
Dratsab:


 


tdgeek: Best he allows himself to accept that no one is interested in invading his country, so he can begin running it for his people. Rather than using that as an excuse.


 


Ha ha ha ha ha... While that's really funny, don't give up your day job :-) 



What's so funny? That he should accept that no one has any interest in invading NK or that the US does have a clear desire to attack? 


 


That KJU could even conceive of not having an enemy and thus go about running the country "for the people". 




I agree fully. Talks, agreement, adherence,unification, never happen. My last response was not so much tongue in cheek, maybe it was, but it's what would succeed, but it won't happen.


I agree with that partly.  There are preconditions to unification (China don't want a US-centric united Korea on their border, US don't want to lose Korea as a foothold - they have about 30,000 armed services stationed there).  Those conditions make it very difficult for DPRK to negotiate - and probably quite cynical about any process - unless it could be negotiated between the two Koreas without outside pressure.


It's not a "black and white" situation where KJU = 100% bad, Uncle Sam = 100% good. It's complex - and a military "solution" isn't going to be a solution at all.  Time is running out on the nuclear issue too - I don't believe that DPRK have "thermonuclear" weapons, but they do have fission bombs - but limited plutonium production.  In some ways it's good when they conduct a test, as each test probably uses about 1/2 their annual plutonium production.  More of a worry (IMO) is their unknown chemical and biological weapon programme and stockpiles. So I hear, they had a site in the North of DPRK a "pesticide" factory, and supposedly producing bacillus thuringiensis for use as an insecticide.  It seems quite probable that the factory could be producing anthrax spores.  We know for sure they have VX - they just used some in Malaysia. There's some obvious concern about DPRK's ballistic missiles.  Cold comfort for the people of South Korea, if in the event of war, DPRK could rain down chemical and biological weapons on South Korea using artillery, and there's nothing which could stop them.


Discussion / negotiation is the only way the Korea problem will be solved without tragedy. 



Fair points. I don't feel the US wants a war despite the USA and/or Trump red button hysteria. For everyone it's a no win scenario. Everyone knows that.

N K is the one to make a difference as they are the aggressive party, and under false pretenses in that the US hasn't been waiting for 60 years for war. If NK wishes to be silly and get hit with sanctions that's their problem but they have upped the ante to nuclear threats, which causes the West to have to think long and hard about actions, as compared to NK just being dicks. If they can be convinced, or underwritten by PRC with cooperation from the US that they aren't waiting for war, and war is only in their heads, then yes, progress could be made. What I come back to is what does he do with the people that are under his force and control, if there are better relations with SK. He is a dictator who has coerced and lied to his people, who are scared of him. He can't afford for them to have any freedom. Otherwise they will walk. Now that would be a wonderful outcome.

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  # 1770833 26-Apr-2017 18:35
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Surely KJU is 120% bad on the badness scale




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Or perhaps you mean he is not a bad person, just categorically insane. Well I have bad news, it gets worse with age.




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  # 1770839 26-Apr-2017 18:44
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joker97: Surely KJU is 120% bad on the badness scale.

 

Or perhaps you mean he is not a bad person, just categorically insane.

 

I suspect it's all show/bravado, intent on keeping his subjects and millions of soldiers etc loyal - to believe they can win.  Not much fun being in the army if you're on the side that's going to be wiped out, which is exactly what will happen if there's conflict. Eventually that is - as they surely could unleash hell on (at least) South Korea in very short order.


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Three good articles at CNN website today.

And this on Forbes.


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