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  #1781662 13-May-2017 14:48
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Fred99:

 

Anybody - foreign leader, diplomat, business person, whoever - better be aware that POTUS secretly records private conversation, then when it suits him, the POTUS may threaten to use those recordings to blackmail them.  

 

Totally unacceptable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not just the US President. This will be wide spread.





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  #1781663 13-May-2017 14:51
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frankv:

 

It's perfectly legal to record a conversation that you are a party to, with or without the knowledge or consent of the other party.

 

 

 

 

Actually that is only true in this country. I seem to recall from my time in America (admittedly very long ago) that recording any telephone conversation (not sure about other kinds) without the other party being informed in advance is an illegal invasion of privacy. 

 

 





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  #1781666 13-May-2017 14:56
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Rikkitic:

 

frankv:

 

It's perfectly legal to record a conversation that you are a party to, with or without the knowledge or consent of the other party.

 

 

 

 

Actually that is only true in this country. I seem to recall from my time in America (admittedly very long ago) that recording any telephone conversation (not sure about other kinds) without the other party being informed in advance is an illegal invasion of privacy. 

 

 

 

 

In NZ it may in some circumstances breach the Privacy Act





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  #1781668 13-May-2017 15:09
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Nixon found out that taping can backfire.

 

It's not the secret recording that's the main problem here IMO - it's the use of them by the POTUS to threaten/blackmail Comey into silence.  Trump seems to have established that not only does he secretly record - but that he's prepared to use those recordings to hold a gun against the head of someone. 

 

That's also going to backfire on him, as who the hell would want to have an open and frank discussion with someone who behaved in that manner?

 

Sure, the law's a bit slack in NZ WRT covert recording, but if you had recorded something covertly, then tried to use that recording for blackmail, then you'd be dead meat.


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  #1781670 13-May-2017 15:13
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Fred99:

 

 

 

Nixon found out that taping can backfire.

 

It's not the secret recording that's the main problem here IMO - it's the use of them by the POTUS to threaten/blackmail Comey into silence.  Trump seems to have established that not only does he secretly record - but that he's prepared to use those recordings to hold a gun against the head of someone. 

 

That's also going to backfire on him, as who the hell would want to have an open and frank discussion with someone who behaved in that manner?

 

Sure, the law's a bit slack in NZ WRT covert recording, but if you had recorded something covertly, then tried to use that recording for blackmail, then you'd be dead meat.

 

 

 

 

I doubt anyone would have an open and frank discussion with him, probably more to the point why would anyone want to. 





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  #1781677 13-May-2017 15:29
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Yeah - I was kind of thinking about a more normal POTUS, talking with his staff / advisors / heads of govt agencies etc.

 

Not this particular POTUS, with credibility and trustworthiness close to zero.


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  #1781680 13-May-2017 15:33
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Fred99:

 

Yeah - I was kind of thinking about a more normal POTUS, talking with his staff / advisors / heads of govt agencies etc.

 

Not this particular POTUS, with credibility and trustworthiness close to zero.

 

 

 

 

Mr Obama was one I feel one could have an open a frank conversation with. I don't believe Mrs Clinton would be one to talk openly to. As for Mr Trump you would need to first determine what Mr Trump you were talking to even then the multitudes of covert agendas would make the whole thing pointless.





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  #1781718 13-May-2017 17:56
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Watching "Get Me Roger Stone" on Netflix. Stone initially had a leading role in Trump's campaign. He's been around a long time. He also had a role in the Regan campaign. Then Bush. Lots of past and present interview time with Stone and Trump.


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  #1782224 15-May-2017 09:18
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Rikkitic:

 

frankv:

 

It's perfectly legal to record a conversation that you are a party to, with or without the knowledge or consent of the other party.

 

 

 

Actually that is only true in this country. I seem to recall from my time in America (admittedly very long ago) that recording any telephone conversation (not sure about other kinds) without the other party being informed in advance is an illegal invasion of privacy. 

 

 

I think this may vary from state to state.


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  #1782230 15-May-2017 09:27
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Fred99:

 

Anybody - foreign leader, diplomat, business person, whoever - better be aware that POTUS secretly records private conversation, then when it suits him, the POTUS may threaten to use those recordings to blackmail them.  

 

Totally unacceptable.

 

 

Regardless of the legality of any recordings, or even whether any such recordings exist; isn't this a clear case of the POTUS publicly blackmailing someone? Surely that's illegal?


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  #1782354 15-May-2017 10:35
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Paul1977:

Rikkitic:


frankv:


It's perfectly legal to record a conversation that you are a party to, with or without the knowledge or consent of the other party.


 


Actually that is only true in this country. I seem to recall from my time in America (admittedly very long ago) that recording any telephone conversation (not sure about other kinds) without the other party being informed in advance is an illegal invasion of privacy. 



I think this may vary from state to state.


Illegal in Florida / Mar-A-Lago.

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  #1782427 15-May-2017 11:40
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Paul1977:

 

Rikkitic:

 

frankv:

 

It's perfectly legal to record a conversation that you are a party to, with or without the knowledge or consent of the other party.

 

 

 

Actually that is only true in this country. I seem to recall from my time in America (admittedly very long ago) that recording any telephone conversation (not sure about other kinds) without the other party being informed in advance is an illegal invasion of privacy. 

 

 

I think this may vary from state to state.

 

 

Unless you're President. ;)

 

Blackadder: [Percy and Queen Elizabeth are playing frisbee]
Lord Percy: [Catches the frisbee] Howzat.
Queen Elizabeth: Percy, who's Queen?
Lord Percy: [Throws it away] Butterfingers.

 

 

 


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  #1782573 15-May-2017 14:31
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Yay - my book has arrived!

 


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  #1782810 15-May-2017 21:30
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POTUS Trixon. portrait of a reflective mood:

 


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The nuclear codes would be 50% safer with Trixon...


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