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cadman

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#1810825 3-Jul-2017 12:01

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freitasm:

I am not saying Trump is Hitler. I am saying users who wish to invoke Godwin's Law in this thread are safe from the Instant Ban (TM).

In the case Godwin's Law comes into play, the fact that this thread alone is being exempted from penalty for doing so it could be reasonably inferred that it's considered appropriate by TPTB to compare Trump to Hitler, regardless of what they might otherwise profess.

Varkk

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#1810831 3-Jul-2017 12:10

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Paul1977:

I don't recall having read this anywhere, but what happens if it is found that Trump's campaign did collude with Russia to win the election?

Whether or not Trump himself was involved, shouldn't that invalidate the whole thing?

A few republicans will say they are deeply concerned. They may even frown. But then they will do nothing and then any action the democrats try to take will be blocked.

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#1810835 3-Jul-2017 12:16

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cadman:

freitasm:

This is THE only thread where Godwin is allowed. Anyone else it's still an instant ban.

So Trump is 'literally' Hitler? But of course the USA doesn't need the second amendment because governments don't go tyrannical. Just how exactly do those two lines of 'thought' (for want of a better word) actually reconcile in the left wing mind?

I'm not saying "Trump is Hitler" either.

Some comparisons however are disturbingly relevant:

Attacks on the media (with implied endorsement of violence)
Attacks on / isolation of minorities (mexicans, muslims etc)
Inciting fear (hyperbolic and unsubstantiated by fact "we need to take urgent actions on crime", law and order etc)
Hypernationalism (MAGA - "America First" - and to hell with anybody else - ie pulling out of the Paris Accord etc)
Anti-liberalism.
Anti-science (selective defunding - killing the messenger rather than argue the message - to shut down the debate)

The second amendment is interesting in that conservatives will insist on literal interpretation of that amendment, but selectively ignore literal interpretation of other parts of the constitution that they don't like. American conservatives of the "shootin for jesus" kind are a sad pack of hypocrites, in my humble opinion.

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#1810838 3-Jul-2017 12:17

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Whatever happens in the coming months or years, we can all say we saw this sad part of history unfold. It is far from us but I believe will touch us all sooner or later. The world is in a dangerous place right now and Trump could well be enough to tip it over. Even the Aussie PM seems to be trying to emulate Trump these days.

Desperate times.

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#1810839 3-Jul-2017 12:19

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Fred99:

cadman:

freitasm:

This is THE only thread where Godwin is allowed. Anyone else it's still an instant ban.

So Trump is 'literally' Hitler? But of course the USA doesn't need the second amendment because governments don't go tyrannical. Just how exactly do those two lines of 'thought' (for want of a better word) actually reconcile in the left wing mind?

I'm not saying "Trump is Hitler" either.

Some comparisons however are disturbingly relevant:

Attacks on the media (with implied endorsement of violence)
Attacks on / isolation of minorities (mexicans, muslims etc)
Inciting fear (hyperbolic and unsubstantiated by fact actions on crime, law and order etc)
Hypernationalism (MAGA - "America First" - and to hell with anybody else - ie pulling out of the Paris Accord etc)
Anti-liberalism.
Anti-science (selective defunding - killing the messenger rather than argue the message - to shut down the debate)

The second amendment is interesting in that conservatives will insist on literal interpretation of that amendment, but selectively ignore literal interpretation of other parts of the constitution that they don't like. American conservatives of the "shootin for jesus" kind are a sad pack of hypocrites, in my humble opinion.

I am not a "he is Hitler person" but it would seem he has read the wrong Presidency or Dummies edition. Some of his advisors though, hmmmm questionable at best.

cadman

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#1810841 3-Jul-2017 12:21

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So you're not saying Trump is Hitler yet go on to make some comparisons that you feel show that he pretty much is?

Thanks for the belly laughs!

Fred99

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#1810848 3-Jul-2017 12:42

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cadman:

So you're not saying Trump is Hitler yet go on to make some comparisons that you feel show that he pretty much is?

Thanks for the belly laughs!

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Noted that you haven't come up with anything to refute those comparisons.

The belly laughs sound a little hollow.

Rikkitic

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#1810850 3-Jul-2017 12:43

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I don't think anyone here is seriously comparing Trump with Hitler. Those of us who are genuinely concerned by Trump's behaviour are trying to take a lesson from history. It may not repeat itself, but there are often useful warnings for the future in what has happened in the past. I don't know Freitasm's reasons for exempting this thread from the Godwin's rule, but I expect it has something to do with that.

Trump's behaviour is genuinely concerning. He is attacking the free press. He rouses primitive sentiments in his supporters that might well be compared to some nazi rallies in the 1930s. He seems to be headed in a direction that resembles some of the choices made at that time. No, Trump is not Hitler. So far, not even close. But Hitler might not have been Hitler either if he had been stopped in time. There were opportunities to do so, and I mean politics, not assassination. At some point it became too late. It is not crazy to wonder if something like that could be happening now, and when it will become too late for us.

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#1810851 3-Jul-2017 12:43

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Paul1977:

Dratsab: If Trump is able to put even a bit of distance between himself and the actions of his minions I don't think anything'll happen. I imagine there'll be a bit of handwringing, but then it'll be back to Modern Day Presidential. A bit like this impeachment word people like to keep bringing up, just can't see it happening.

But if a gymnastics team wins a competition because the coach gave one of them steroids without their knowledge, it's not just the coach who gets done - the whole team loses the medal.

Politics is not comparable to gymnastics, nor pretty much anything else really. Politicians make their own rules to suit themselves.

Fred99

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#1810855 3-Jul-2017 12:48

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MikeB4:

Some of his advisors though, hmmmm questionable at best.

True, but some of his advisors appear to have forced him to pull back from some of the worst hypernationalist / isolationist rhetoric he campaigned on.

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#1810858 3-Jul-2017 12:51

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cadman: So you're not saying Trump is Hitler yet go on to make some comparisons that you feel show that he pretty much is?

Thanks for the belly laughs!

Those who rise to become tyrants (I'm not saying Trump will become one) will always be known by what they said and did. Sometimes these will be likened to others of their ilk, but it still doesn't make them someone else. Aside from which, although he has displayed some similar rhetoric to Hitler, his actions and proven ideology currently fall way, way short of what that Hitler stood for and did.

In essence, only Hitler was Hitler. Others can make comparable actions or act in similar manners but another man that does not make.

Edit: typo corrected

geekIT

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#1810880 3-Jul-2017 13:33

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Trump is a rotting sore in America's side and the Republican Party is the pus-filled bandage that covers the wound.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

Fred99

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#1810903 3-Jul-2017 13:46

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Rikkitic:

I don't think anyone here is seriously comparing Trump with Hitler. Those of us who are genuinely concerned by Trump's behaviour are trying to take a lesson from history. It may not repeat itself, but there are often useful warnings for the future in what has happened in the past. I don't know Freitasm's reasons for exempting this thread from the Godwin's rule, but I expect it has something to do with that.

Trump's behaviour is genuinely concerning. He is attacking the free press. He rouses primitive sentiments in his supporters that might well be compared to some nazi rallies in the 1930s. He seems to be headed in a direction that resembles some of the choices made at that time. No, Trump is not Hitler. So far, not even close. But Hitler might not have been Hitler either if he had been stopped in time. There were opportunities to do so, and I mean politics, not assassination. At some point it became too late. It is not crazy to wonder if something like that could be happening now, and when it will become too late for us.

This article:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/09/opinions/bergen-is-trump-fascist/index.html

Appears to be a breach of Godwin's "Law".

However the article has been endorsed by none other than Mike Godwin

The best way to prevent future holocausts, I believe, is not to forbear from Holocaust comparisons; instead, it’s to make sure that those comparisons are meaningful and substantive. This is something a pleasantly surprising percentage of commentators in this political season have managed to do (like this piece on Trumpby New America and CNN analyst Peter Bergen). And I’m pleased in any season to see more people revisiting the history books.

Godwin's "law" is interpreted as a "rule", thus becoming a "Godwin's Law" rule as in this forum (this thread excepted) and others. I think Godwin was intending "Godwin's Law" to be like a "law of physics" not used as a basis for forum rules - try but fail to to break it without evidence or rational argument and you're a fool, succeed in breaking it, and you're breaking new ground..

IMO I think Godwin's "law" as used in these forums is perhaps superfluous, ad-hominem attacks are banned anyway - if you compare another poster to a pig, hitler, whatever. OTOH I don't make the rules and don't think it's a big deal to abide by them, except on rare occasion when mentioning facism, hitler etc might be appropriate, but subject to interpretation of Godwin's may result in a banhammer.

geekIT

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#1811115 3-Jul-2017 17:12

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Trump's popularity (or lack of it) in the United (so-called) States of America is well documented.

But it occurs to me that a world-wide poll might indicate a result that's markedly different from the US.

This GeekZone 312 page thread alone seems to indicate that our small country of 4.6 million has a high degree of antipathy toward America's current government and leadership.

Has anyone seen such a global poll?

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

Fred99

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#1811134 3-Jul-2017 17:27

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geekIT:

Has anyone seen such a global poll?

Popular in Russia and Israel.

The impact on perception of America:

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